My theory on why we are bad against the bootlege: hint it is the DTs - Page 3

Logical · 08-12-2006, 11:14 PM

That is right because we get no push up the middle from the DTs the DEs have to crash. Proper technique is to rush straight for about 2 yards then crash. If we do that the QB will get all the time in the world and the bootleg won't even be an issue because we will have no pressure at all.

JMHO

macdawg · 08-13-2006, 11:14 AM

Mojo Rising is correct.

Logical · 08-13-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Logical's comments just reinforce that he didn't watch the game.

Against a coventional running scheme, having the DTs crash straight up field might work. Against the Texans (Broncos) running scheme, that would set up their running game to destroy us.

The was they run the ball is an incredibly good way to set up the bootleg. The enitre line crashes in the direction of the run, with the RB looking for the first open cutback lane. If The DT goes upfield instead flowing with the blocks, the RB has the outside of the field to work with against the DE.

The reason this is so effective with the bootleg is that every thing the the defenders are taught says to contain the backside by flowing down the line. It's instinct to flow to the ball in case the RB cuts back.

The DE has to recognize the fake, or at the very least be cautious in his backside pursuit. He also has to have the speed to get to the QB when he recognizes it. In this particular case, the play of the DTs has very little bearing.

I did watch the game this morning and I saw 4 of the bootlegs on the NFL Network llast nite so your point is a little off base.

PastorMikH · 08-13-2006, 11:48 AM

In the second meeting against Denver last year, the bootleg to the left didn't work for them because Allen and the LB behind him stayed home and shut it down. Same was true last night when they ran the bootleg to the left it got a few yards and that was it.

The key is the players have to stay put and quit trying to over-persue.

KCBOSS1 · 08-13-2006, 11:51 AM

You gotta love football. Combination demolition derby, athletic skill and chess game. I know that Herm and Guntha are good demolition and skill guys, but I'm not convinced about their chess play.

Kubiak, Shannahan & Belichick are chess players.

jspchief · 08-13-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

I did watch the game this morning and I saw 4 of the bootlegs on the NFL Network llast nite so your point is a little off base.

OK, if you watched it, you would realize that the DTs running straight upfield is not the solution.

The entire O-line is flowing in the opposite direction of the bootleg. To run straight upfield is to completely ignore the O-line's blocking scheme, which means every time the hand off is real rather than fake, the RB is going to kill us.

My point remains. It had nothing (or very little) to do with the DTs.

suds79 · 08-13-2006, 11:56 AM

Well to say our DTs are not getting the job done is usually an understatement I however believe that even if they (the DTs) were getting a better push that the DEs would still crash down the line and get burned.

Normally I don't care too much about preseason but this one kind of bothered me in that it's not the players but the scheme or what they're (the DEs) taught. They're obviously tought to flow to the ball. Because if they were not, then you'd think sooner or later one of them would start to stay at home. After years & years, they just never learn.

It's dissapointing because sometimes I think it'll never change. They can talk about "something to work on" all they want but the we all know Denver will kill us with the bootleg all day long come week 2.

And as fans, there is nothing we can do about it.

Chan93lx50 · 08-13-2006, 12:00 PM

Why is everybody so hard on Hicks, it was so obvious he was being held on every play.

Didnt you see Hicks tell Allen that on the sidelines

go bo · 08-13-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

In the second meeting against Denver last year, the bootleg to the left didn't work for them because Allen and the LB behind him stayed home and shut it down. Same was true last night when they ran the bootleg to the left it got a few yards and that was it.

The key is the players have to stay put and quit trying to over-persue.

one of the scrubs was running straight upfield to stop the bootleg and every time he did, it left a huge hole for the rb...

PastorMikH · 08-13-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

one of the scrubs was running straight upfield to stop the bootleg and every time he did, it left a huge hole for the rb...

I saw that problem come up with Ty Law too. He had to hold his WR and let Carr run. The difference is, Law did his part, his DE didn't.

One player can't stop a bootleg, it takes teamwork.

chief2000 · 08-13-2006, 12:07 PM

Hicks is sloooooooow.

jspchief · 08-13-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

one of the scrubs was running straight upfield to stop the bootleg and every time he did, it left a huge hole for the rb...

That's where the CB and safety come in. It's always the DEs responsibility to close on the QB in that situation. Then usually the safety (or a LB) has to cover the guy on the short route that opens up.

With the starters in, the DEs were screwing up. With the backups, the DEs did a better job but the Lbs and safeties were never in position.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 08-13-2006, 12:11 PM

I didn't think Burton did a bad job against the bootleg.

He forced the QB, RB inside where he can be tackled.

I think that's what has to happen.

IMO

Hammock Parties · 08-13-2006, 12:12 PM

The comforting thing was that no receivers were getting open off the play action.

If Denver wants to run Plummer 10 times a game, we'll kill him.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 08-13-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The comforting thing was that no receivers were getting open off the play action.

Not what I saw.

jspchief · 08-13-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperliteZO6

Not what I saw.

Me either.

I think I would ammend that statement to say when our 1st string was in, the receivers were covered well. But after that, there were guys open every time.

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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	Well to say our DTs are not getting the job done is usually an understatement I however believe that even if they (the DTs) were getting a better push that the DEs would still crash down the line and get burned. Normally I don't care too much about preseason but this one kind of bothered me in that it's not the players but the scheme or what they're (the DEs) taught. They're obviously tought to flow to the ball. Because if they were not, then you'd think sooner or later one of them would start to stay at home. After years & years, they just never learn. It's dissapointing because sometimes I think it'll never change. They can talk about "something to work on" all they want but the we all know Denver will kill us with the bootleg all day long come week 2. And as fans, there is nothing we can do about it.
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