Green or no Green, the Chiefs just suck!!! - Page 3

tfree32 · 09-10-2006, 06:02 PM

Too bad about Green, here's hoping he makes a full recovery.

That being said, the Chiefs just plain suck. Is there a player on offense besides Johnson who's under 40? The line is old and weak, the QB is a limp-wristed statute, the receivers have sucked for years, Gonzalez is past his prime, and it's looking like it's time to rebuild the offense around LJ.

The defense has sucked for years, and Law and Bell aren't going to solve the problem.

I think it's time for the Chiefs to rebuild around LJ and a defense that has some young talent. Time to stop spending money bringing in older players past their prime. Time to stop pretending they're a serious contender, and face the fact that it's time to build for the future.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

Baseball has no salary cap. Good NFL teams stay good by managing the cap. Giving some untested rook 30 million in guarantees is not smart. Just like drafting Cromartie would not have been smart.

Alright that's your opinion, I'd rather have a shot at an elite young player than picking 25th.

You know by saying that you're basically saying instead of being able to pick a Calvin Johnson or a Carson Palmer or a Reggie Bush or a Peyton Manning you'll take your chances the ok prospects. It baffles me that someone wouldn't want the shot to get players like that.

beer bacon · 09-10-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Alright that's your opinion, I'd rather have a shot at an elite young player than picking 25th.

You know by saying that you're basically saying instead of being able to pick a Calvin Johnson or a Carson Palmer or a Reggie Bush or a Peyton Manning you'll take your chances the ok prospects. It baffles me that someone wouldn't want the shot to get players like that.

What I want is a front office and scouting department that doesn't need the #1 pick in the draft to get a good player. I want to be able to draft players late in the first, early in the third, in the second, fourth, whenever, that will be good players in our system. When a NFL organization can do that, then they can consistantly be a good team.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

What I want is a front office and scouting department that doesn't need the #1 pick in the draft to get a good player. I want to be able to draft players late in the first, early in the third, in the second, fourth, whenever, that will be good players in our system. When a NFL organization can do that, then they can consistantly be a good team.

Most of the really good teams in this league have atleast 1 player that was selected top 10 that their team is built around.....you can't build an entire team around middle level picks.

mdstu · 09-10-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Alright that's your opinion, I'd rather have a shot at an elite young player than picking 25th.

You know by saying that you're basically saying instead of being able to pick a Calvin Johnson or a Carson Palmer or a Reggie Bush or a Peyton Manning you'll take your chances the ok prospects. It baffles me that someone wouldn't want the shot to get players like that.

How the **** do you get "the shot to get players like that"?
Not sign good free agents?
Intentionally throw games?
Tell your players not to try?
Cut good players?

What are you saying? I don't get it. Please make sense of it.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu

How the **** do you get "the shot to get players like that"?
Not sign good free agents?
Intentionally throw games?
Tell your players not to try?
Cut good players?

What are you saying? I don't get it. Please make sense of it.

Well either things go completely wrong for you or your team isn't good. Some teams do go through years where they cut old players get young and don't expect to contend for a year or 2.

If the Chiefs came out after this year and said they were gonna go young cut alot of veterans and take their lumps and play for 3 years down the line I'd be fine with that.

Raiderhater · 09-10-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu

How the **** do you get "the shot to get players like that"?
Not sign good free agents?
Intentionally throw games?
Tell your players not to try?
Cut good players?

What are you saying? I don't get it. Please make sense of it.

Don't bother, you're head will just end up hurting even more trying to understand the thought process.

**KcMizzou** · 09-10-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If the Chiefs came out after this year and said they were gonna go young cut alot of veterans and take their lumps and play for 3 years down the line I'd be fine with that.

Yeah, It's worked out great for the Royals.

I'm kidding.

Mostly.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Yeah, It's worked out great for the Royals.

I'm kidding.

Mostly.

Well this strategy of building a team completely through free agency hasn't worked either......I just don't like that the Chiefs team is almost completely different than it was when Vermiel took over yet as a team we're older. There's no kind of sustained ability to be good when your team is built around guys who are 30 when you got them.

mdstu · 09-10-2006, 09:17 PM

With parity like it is, there is no way I wouldn't go for it with a team like this.

I would always try to be the best I could be, because you never know. Especially when rebuilding is a such a crapshoot.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mdstu

With parity like it is, there is no way I wouldn't go for it with a team like this.

I would always try to be the best I could be, because you never know. Especially when rebuilding is a such a crapshoot.

This team is going to have to be gutted after this year......it's old and looks to be declining. There are some nice pieces but there's a hell of alot of work to do, atleast that's how it looks right now.

**KcMizzou** · 09-10-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well this strategy of building a team completely through free agency hasn't worked either......I just don't like that the Chiefs team is almost completely different than it was when Vermiel took over yet as a team we're older. There's no kind of sustained ability to be good when your team is built around guys who are 30 when you got them.

I'd be fine with a "clean slate" approach if I had more faith in our ability to evaluate talent.

As it stands, I think we need the proven players we've been able to pick up.

My fear would be that we would start over, expecting to compete again in a few years... only to see that "few years" turn into 15.

chagrin · 09-10-2006, 09:20 PM

I wonder what the Statue of limitations is for the NFL to fine that guy for the cheap shot hit on a sliding QB who was obviously sliding, and on the ground when dude slammed his head to the ground?

And if this guy is a bucs fan, will you PLEASE fuggin take Bueyedbea back to your board?

mdstu · 09-10-2006, 09:20 PM

Hell the Bengals rebuilt for 15 years. What do they have to show for it. First round loss just like us.

splatbass · 09-10-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You really think this team has a shot? I personally thought the window was closed after last year.....

Yes. One bad game does not end the season. We have an improving defense, and an offense that can still score points. If Hall doesn't fumble, if we don't run up the middle on 3rd and 5 and make a TD instead of a FG, if Green hadn't been knocked out, this could have been a very diffferent game. There was nothing that can't be corrected. Mistakes and penalties were our biggest problem today.

When Green comes back and we start Sampson instead of Black, our offense will play better. Maybe not the same as the last few years, but still pretty good.

I never understand you doom and gloom types, the sky is always falling with you people. We have the potential to win the division this year, and you want to throw it all away to get better draft picks that may not even work out? Remember Sims? An early draft pick is no guarantee that they will be good.

If losing to get good draft picks was the answer Pheonix would be the Super Bowl champions.

Mecca · 09-10-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I'd be fine with a "clean slate" approach if I had more faith in our ability to evaluate talent.

As it stands, I think we need the proven players we've been able to pick up.

My fear would be that we would start over, expecting to compete again in a few years... only to see that "few years" turn into 15.

Even in that vein I think we need 1 clean slate year to get rid of all these bad contracts we have on the books right now. There's alot of money they could clear off the cap if they'd take the 1-2 year clean slate approach so they could atleast spend it on some productive players.

09-10-2006, 06:02 PM
tfree32 Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Casino cash: $10004900	Green or no Green, the Chiefs just suck!!! Too bad about Green, here's hoping he makes a full recovery. That being said, the Chiefs just plain suck. Is there a player on offense besides Johnson who's under 40? The line is old and weak, the QB is a limp-wristed statute, the receivers have sucked for years, Gonzalez is past his prime, and it's looking like it's time to rebuild the offense around LJ. The defense has sucked for years, and Law and Bell aren't going to solve the problem. I think it's time for the Chiefs to rebuild around LJ and a defense that has some young talent. Time to stop spending money bringing in older players past their prime. Time to stop pretending they're a serious contender, and face the fact that it's time to build for the future.
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09-10-2006, 09:17 PM	#39
mdstu Let's get a snack Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Cincinnati Casino cash: $1038901	With parity like it is, there is no way I wouldn't go for it with a team like this. I would always try to be the best I could be, because you never know. Especially when rebuilding is a such a crapshoot.
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09-10-2006, 09:20 PM	#42
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9894905	I wonder what the Statue of limitations is for the NFL to fine that guy for the cheap shot hit on a sliding QB who was obviously sliding, and on the ground when dude slammed his head to the ground? And if this guy is a bucs fan, will you PLEASE fuggin take Bueyedbea back to your board? __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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09-10-2006, 09:20 PM	#43
mdstu Let's get a snack Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Cincinnati Casino cash: $1038901	Hell the Bengals rebuilt for 15 years. What do they have to show for it. First round loss just like us.
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