Leadership.......Where is it? - Page 3

Mecca · 12-30-2006, 04:58 AM

Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread......

Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders? We don't have any...we don't have Ray Lewis or Tom Brady....it's a major problem.

Kawika Mitchell may think he's a leader but he's not. You have to do your job and be a good player and have the respect of everyone to be a leader and hold people account for their mistakes. Perfect example when he got in the arguement on the sideline with the DB's and they straight up looked at him like "**** you get out of here". They don't respect him....no Ravens player would ever do that to Ray Lewis we all know that.

Someone will probably throw out Larry Johnson but he's not a team leader either....he may run his mouth after games or about things he doesn't like but he's not a team leader in the sense that we need a player to be....of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either.

We have nice guys like Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez.....Where they play and don't say much..if you **** up in NE, Tom Bradys gonna be on your ass. We don't have that......

Until the Chiefs find some real leadership in the locker room they are going to continue to be a team that just plays, doesn't feel accountable to the rest of the team and folds when things get tough......like Cleveland. There's a reason things like that happen every single year.

88TG88 · 12-30-2006, 10:22 PM

wasnt shields the leader of our O ? i thought i heard somewhere he was our undisputed leader

blueballs · 12-30-2006, 10:25 PM

Ray Lewis leads by fear
they know he is off his rocker

BigRock · 12-30-2006, 10:36 PM

It doesn't make a lot of sense for people who don't go into the locker room to sit around talking about who the leaders are. Case in point, Brian Waters gave a heated pre-game speech to the whole team last week, not for the first time, and nobody has even mentioned his name yet.

And the idea that being a leader means "yelling at a guy when he screws up" is completed flawed. There are a lot of ways to be a leader. Just because Trent Green, to throw out a name, doesn't fit someone's Ray Lewis defintion of what a leader is, doesn't mean Trent isn't one.

milkman · 12-30-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

It doesn't make a lot of sense for people who don't go into the locker room to sit around talking about who the leaders are. Case in point, Brian Waters gave a heated pre-game speech to the whole team last week, not for the first time, and nobody has even mentioned his name yet.

And the idea that being a leader means "yelling at a guy when he screws up" is completed flawed. There are a lot of ways to be a leader. Just because Trent Green, to throw out a name, doesn't fit someone's Ray Lewis defintion of what a leader is, doesn't mean Trent isn't one.

An emotional leader almost always displays that leadership on the field for all to see.

Direckshun · 12-31-2006, 02:48 AM

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Direckshun · 12-31-2006, 02:51 AM

Seriously, though, there are definitive leaders on this team, but they're all on offense.

Trent Green is indisputably the leader of the offense. He is a presense in the huddle, but he doesn't see chewing asses as a productive measure of support. I think there's a case to be made that he's too nice, but that's a criticism you have of his personality, not of whether or not he serves as a leader. Trent is the lead here.

Other very vocal leaders are Tony G and most notably Brian Waters. Both players care about the team first and foremost (unlike LJ), and carry a heavy locker room presense with them.

Sad thing is, one of our best leaders was TRich before we let him get away.

SPchief · 12-31-2006, 03:08 AM

Scanlon, duh

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-31-2006, 03:15 AM

I just think the team needs a major house cleaning, along with Carl and Herm. I hope I'm wrong, but this team won't win a Super Bowl with both of those guys here, or one.

RedThat · 12-31-2006, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread......

Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders? We don't have any...we don't have Ray Lewis or Tom Brady....it's a major problem.

Kawika Mitchell may think he's a leader but he's not. You have to do your job and be a good player and have the respect of everyone to be a leader and hold people account for their mistakes. Perfect example when he got in the arguement on the sideline with the DB's and they straight up looked at him like "**** you get out of here". They don't respect him....no Ravens player would ever do that to Ray Lewis we all know that.

Someone will probably throw out Larry Johnson but he's not a team leader either....he may run his mouth after games or about things he doesn't like but he's not a team leader in the sense that we need a player to be....of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either.

We have nice guys like Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez.....Where they play and don't say much..if you **** up in NE, Tom Bradys gonna be on your ass. We don't have that......

Until the Chiefs find some real leadership in the locker room they are going to continue to be a team that just plays, doesn't feel accountable to the rest of the team and folds when things get tough......like Cleveland. There's a reason things like that happen every single year.

Good points...We don't really have a true leader on this team. But I do think Huard could be a leader? I seen him give it to the players in the Seattle game. This team had some leadership, in Gannon. They let him slip away, and I have a feeling Huard is going to be Rich Gannon part 2.

RedThat · 12-31-2006, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I just think the team needs a major house cleaning, along with Carl and Herm. I hope I'm wrong, but this team won't win a Super Bowl with both of those guys here, or one.

I agree. The Chiefs need a new FO. And they need to hire GOOD NFL executives who are serious minded and that really want to win.

RedThat · 12-31-2006, 03:30 AM

Trent Green is not a leader.

For those that say he is, then I got a question, why is it every time the Chiefs mess up, he doesn't rally his troops? He doesn't express any emotion and give the guys crap when they mess up?

Trent Green is a nice guy. A complimentary player. Everytime there is a mistake, he shrugs it off like oh well? Everytime his team is down and he has to rally his team, all i see are looks of concern on his face.

*He is an overrated QB. I wouldn't mind if the Chiefs went in a different direction at QB. Or at least leave the competition open in TC.

Chiefs Pantalones · 12-31-2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Trent Green is not a leader.

For those that say he is, then I got a question, why is it every time the Chiefs mess up, he doesn't rally his troops? He doesn't express any emotion and give the guys crap when they mess up?

Trent Green is a nice guy. A complimentary player. Everytime there is a mistake, he shrugs it off like oh well? Everytime his team is down and he has to rally his team, all i see are looks of concern on his face.

*He is an overrated QB. I wouldn't mind if the Chiefs went in a different direction at QB. Or at least leave the competition open in TC.

I think Trent will be good for us for one more year, then I'm ready to move on. I wouldn't be sad if we decided to go in another direction in 07, actually, but we won't. I say let Huard go this offseason, give the backup job to Croyle, and then give the job to him in 08.

**Rausch** · 12-31-2006, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread......

Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders?

Excellent question.

Our team doesn't have a DT, Neil Smith, Hasty, Cherr¥, Ross, or Buchanon on defense. Perhaps Law will take up that role.

On offense we have Green and now the team has legit reasons to doubt him. Is it age? His mellon scrambling? His ability to adjust to a new offensensive emphasis this late in his career?

As dumb as this would have sounded a year ago we really need to lock up Huard, Wilson, and now Reed. We need that solid depth because any of the guys in front of them may be gone next year.

And I seriously doubt Shields comes back...

RedThat · 12-31-2006, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I think Trent will be good for us for one more year, then I'm ready to move on. I wouldn't be sad if we decided to go in another direction in 07, actually, but we won't. I say let Huard go this offseason, give the backup job to Croyle, and then give the job to him in 08.

Actually, this is my opinion...I think the more appropriate thing to do, is, re-sign Huard. Keep all 3 QB's, and next year when training camp hits, you let all 3 compete for the starting QB job.

I don't like this whole idea of Trent being labelled the starter next year. All that does, is make him be complacent. Not a good thing. Even for a nice guy. I want to see some competition. Guys fighting.

*We know what we got out of both Green and Huard. But Croyle is still a ?..Thats why it would make sense imo, to sign Huard. At least you know just to be secure about the QB position.

**Rausch** · 12-31-2006, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Actually, this is my opinion...I think the more appropriate thing to do, is, re-sign Huard.

I agree up to here.

Trent starts the season. If he plays like $#it you toss in Huard and run with him, better or worse. Huard doesn't work out in 2 years we've got some seasoning on Croyle...

12-30-2006, 04:58 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2077050	Leadership.......Where is it? Something I brought up in another thread and thought deserved to have a thread...... Where the hell is the leadership on the Chiefs? Where are our players that are the team leaders? We don't have any...we don't have Ray Lewis or Tom Brady....it's a major problem. Kawika Mitchell may think he's a leader but he's not. You have to do your job and be a good player and have the respect of everyone to be a leader and hold people account for their mistakes. Perfect example when he got in the arguement on the sideline with the DB's and they straight up looked at him like "** you get out of here". They don't respect him....no Ravens player would ever do that to Ray Lewis we all know that. Someone will probably throw out Larry Johnson but he's not a team leader either....he may run his mouth after games or about things he doesn't like but he's not a team leader in the sense that we need a player to be....of course he doesn't care enough to be a complete player either. We have nice guys like Trent Green and Tony Gonzalez.....Where they play and don't say much..if you ** up in NE, Tom Bradys gonna be on your ass. We don't have that...... Until the Chiefs find some real leadership in the locker room they are going to continue to be a team that just plays, doesn't feel accountable to the rest of the team and folds when things get tough......like Cleveland. There's a reason things like that happen every single year.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	Seriously, though, there are definitive leaders on this team, but they're all on offense. Trent Green is indisputably the leader of the offense. He is a presense in the huddle, but he doesn't see chewing asses as a productive measure of support. I think there's a case to be made that he's too nice, but that's a criticism you have of his personality, not of whether or not he serves as a leader. Trent is the lead here. Other very vocal leaders are Tony G and most notably Brian Waters. Both players care about the team first and foremost (unlike LJ), and carry a heavy locker room presense with them. Sad thing is, one of our best leaders was TRich before we let him get away.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Trent Green is not a leader. For those that say he is, then I got a question, why is it every time the Chiefs mess up, he doesn't rally his troops? He doesn't express any emotion and give the guys crap when they mess up? Trent Green is a nice guy. A complimentary player. Everytime there is a mistake, he shrugs it off like oh well? Everytime his team is down and he has to rally his team, all i see are looks of concern on his face. *He is an overrated QB. I wouldn't mind if the Chiefs went in a different direction at QB. Or at least leave the competition open in TC.
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