It was a team loss - Page 3

Chiefnj · 09:19 AM

I watched the game again last night in about a half-hour fast forwarding through a lot. Some observations:

1. Whoever the next QB is, the guy has to have some ability to audible. There were times when there were 9 defenders in the box clearly playing run and the Chiefs ran it anyway right into the middle of the 9 guys. I don't care if Indy had the worst run D in the league, that just isn't going to work. Green, Huard, Croyle, Testaverde, whoever it is, has to have the ability to call a pass with the one-on-one matchup on the outside.

2. The OL didn't show up at all. Even without the extra Indy defenders playing he line, the OL was beaten at the point of attack by the undersized Indy line and was never able to get a push.

3. Waters had a horrible day. He was as bad as Black. In addition to poor run and pass blocking, he stepped on Green's foot and was responsible for a critical false start on 3rd and short that put the Chiefs back to a known passing situation where Green got hit and threw a pick.

4. The D played inspired ball but once again failed to come up big when the team needed them to. After the offense finally scored and made it 8-16 they needed to make a stop on the next drive. Instead, they let Manning drive 71 yards for a TD.

5. The dropped passes were inexcusable. What people overlook is that on many of the dropped 3rd down passes, the receivers were running patterns SHORT of the first down marker. Even if they made the catch they likely wouldn't have converted. (Unfortunately that is a Herm run offense trademark).

crazycoffey · 01-10-2007, 10:42 AM

I wanted to watch, but I just erased the tivo copy and watched some of the Networks replay. I couldn't do it, I just couldn't do it.

but from what I re-watched and from observations during the game, I agree with the thread poster, and echo many other thoughts about #4.

#1 has been a sore spot on my list for awhile. Makes no sense to take what a QB sees out of the game, even if we had Brodie in there. (I do realize that it would make more sense to restrict the young one in many cases, but point out - the sooner you take the training wheels of your kids bike the sooner you see him excel at something. After he gets himself hurt a time or two.)

FAX · 01-10-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

You armchair coaches have no freakin idea what its like to be a player WHOSE WHOLE LIFE IS ON A PEDESTAL and everything they do on the field and off is either immortalized in the national headlines or their reputation is torn to shreds.

What in God's name are you trying to say?

FAX

Redrum_69 · 01-10-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

What in God's name are you trying to say?

FAX

You actually care to know what I'm saying?

Really?

FAX · 01-10-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

You actually care to know what I'm saying?

Really?

Yep. I really, really do.

But, I'm warning you, Mr. Redrum_69. Come back with a mom joke and you're going on ignore.

FAX

Redrum_69 · 01-10-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Yep. I really, really do.

But, I'm warning you, Mr. Redrum_69. Come back with a mom joke and you're going on ignore.

FAX

All I'm saying is that everyone here critiques the whole team, and has blamed everyone short of God for creating everything.

Fans are so quick to blame other people, players, and coaches.

Maybe, just maybe they should take a look at the big picture....but they dont, they never will. All anyone cares to look for is the bad in each person/player and coach....regardless of what the say or who they offend.

Yes winning is a great thing, but so the hell what if you lose. Not everyone is going to win or lose all the time. Maybe their are hidden agendas at work here. Maybe people can take off their blinders and instead of focusing on one thing...they can see the whole situation in front of them.

BIG_DADDY · 01-10-2007, 11:02 AM

The fact that we are running straight at 9 in the box is moronic.

Otter · 01-10-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

You armchair coaches have no freakin idea what its like to be a player WHOSE WHOLE LIFE IS ON A PEDESTAL and everything they do on the field and off is either immortalized in the national headlines or their reputation is torn to shreds.

Redrum's Mom is like a pedestal, constantly sitting around waiting for someone to be on top of her.

Redrum_69 · 01-10-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Redrum's Mom is like a pedestal, constantly sitting around waiting for someone to be on top of her.

Nice try, but the YOUR MOMS are getting old

Mr. Laz · 01-10-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I wanted to watch, but I just erased the tivo copy and watched some of the Networks replay. I couldn't do it, I just couldn't do it.

same here ... i just couldn't do it.

i sat there and glared at the tivo copy and then just deleted it.

couldn't do it, just couldn't do it.

FAX · 01-10-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

All I'm saying is that everyone here critiques the whole team, and has blamed everyone short of God for creating everything.

Fans are so quick to blame other people, players, and coaches.

Maybe, just maybe they should take a look at the big picture....but they dont, they never will. All anyone cares to look for is the bad in each person/player and coach....regardless of what the say or who they offend.

Yes winning is a great thing, but so the hell what if you lose. Not everyone is going to win or lose all the time. Maybe their are hidden agendas at work here. Maybe people can take off their blinders and instead of focusing on one thing...they can see the whole situation in front of them.

I think I understand what you're saying Mr. Redrum_69. Personally, I don't look for the "bad". I am proud to say that I am a "good" looker first and foremost.

And actually, I've thought about the "hidden agenda" theory, too. I considered the possibility that Herm does, in fact, have a plan and is just weathering a first/second year storm to build a team that is more competitive in the West and effective in the playoffs.

This would explain why he tunes out the complaints and blows off criticism. Because he knows what he's doing, where he's going, and he is the guy who can, not only construct a fearsome defense, but put a winning offense on the field who can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere.

Then I cut back on the lortab and realized I had drooled on my tie.

FAX

Otter · 01-10-2007, 11:07 AM

6 words:

Thirteen years without a playoff win

BIG_DADDY · 01-10-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Then I cut back on the lortab and realized I had drooled on my tie.

FAX

Mr. Laz · 01-10-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I think I understand what you're saying Mr. Redrum_69. Personally, I don't look for the "bad". I am proud to say that I am a "good" looker first and foremost.

And actually, I've thought about the "hidden agenda" theory, too. I considered the possibility that Herm does, in fact, have a plan and is just weathering a first/second year storm to build a team that is more competitive in the West and effective in the playoffs.

This would explain why he tunes out the complaints and blows off criticism. Because he knows what he's doing, where he's going, and he is the guy who can, not only construct a fearsome defense, but put a winning offense on the field who can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere.

Then I cut back on the lortab and realized I had drooled on my tie.

FAX

i nominate Mr. Fax for Favorite poster on ChiefsPlanet

Redrum_69 · 01-10-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I think I understand what you're saying Mr. Redrum_69. Personally, I don't look for the "bad". I am proud to say that I am a "good" looker first and foremost.

And actually, I've thought about the "hidden agenda" theory, too. I considered the possibility that Herm does, in fact, have a plan and is just weathering a first/second year storm to build a team that is more competitive in the West and effective in the playoffs.

This would explain why he tunes out the complaints and blows off criticism. Because he knows what he's doing, where he's going, and he is the guy who can, not only construct a fearsome defense, but put a winning offense on the field who can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere.

Then I cut back on the lortab and realized I had drooled on my tie.

FAX

Yes and no....but youre in the ballpark

How many years did the average fan plan on giving Herm? I bet they thought since KC had a high powered offense last year and the following year...Herm would be able to come in and get the team to the super bowl. I didnt happen...The stars alligned and allowed us too sneak into the Playoffs. WE GOT LUCKY.

I gave Herm THree years...YES THREE....one to test out the defense...and he brought them out of the gutter...now this year he can work on the offense and tweak the defense some more..which he will.

The third year...the puzzles will fit.

Just be patient.....My God...First year coach and everyone is calling to fire Herm.

Question is...do all those asshats that said "Lamar Hunt had something to do with this" when the Chiefs backdoored their way into the playoffs..feel like shit or do they just sweep their comments under the rug...thinking and hoping that everyone forgot?

Brock · 01-10-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Question is...do all those asshats that said "Lamar Hunt had something to do with this" when the Chiefs backdoored their way into the playoffs..feel like shit or do they just sweep their comments under the rug...thinking and hoping that everyone forgot?

WTF is wrong with saying that? Or is this just part of the act?

01-10-2007, 09:03 AM
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	It was a team loss I watched the game again last night in about a half-hour fast forwarding through a lot. Some observations: 1. Whoever the next QB is, the guy has to have some ability to audible. There were times when there were 9 defenders in the box clearly playing run and the Chiefs ran it anyway right into the middle of the 9 guys. I don't care if Indy had the worst run D in the league, that just isn't going to work. Green, Huard, Croyle, Testaverde, whoever it is, has to have the ability to call a pass with the one-on-one matchup on the outside. 2. The OL didn't show up at all. Even without the extra Indy defenders playing he line, the OL was beaten at the point of attack by the undersized Indy line and was never able to get a push. 3. Waters had a horrible day. He was as bad as Black. In addition to poor run and pass blocking, he stepped on Green's foot and was responsible for a critical false start on 3rd and short that put the Chiefs back to a known passing situation where Green got hit and threw a pick. 4. The D played inspired ball but once again failed to come up big when the team needed them to. After the offense finally scored and made it 8-16 they needed to make a stop on the next drive. Instead, they let Manning drive 71 yards for a TD. 5. The dropped passes were inexcusable. What people overlook is that on many of the dropped 3rd down passes, the receivers were running patterns SHORT of the first down marker. Even if they made the catch they likely wouldn't have converted. (Unfortunately that is a Herm run offense trademark). Last edited by Chiefnj; 01-10-2007 at 09:19 AM..
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01-10-2007, 10:42 AM	#31
crazycoffey .......... Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $5047901	I wanted to watch, but I just erased the tivo copy and watched some of the Networks replay. I couldn't do it, I just couldn't do it. but from what I re-watched and from observations during the game, I agree with the thread poster, and echo many other thoughts about #4. #1 has been a sore spot on my list for awhile. Makes no sense to take what a QB sees out of the game, even if we had Brodie in there. (I do realize that it would make more sense to restrict the young one in many cases, but point out - the sooner you take the training wheels of your kids bike the sooner you see him excel at something. After he gets himself hurt a time or two.)
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