If Martz to the Raiders

[kczoo]

and The Raiders pick a franchise QB with their pick, arent we on the bottom of the food chain in the AFC West? Hmmmmm, Martz will make a Raiders offense better than this year and their D is already killer. Were in for a long offseason

[FDS]

Martz and Davis would do nothing but, butt heads.


FirstDownSamie

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Hard to argue with that. And Martz fits the Raiders profile.

You know John, as much as I will be despised for saying this, I wish he fit the Chiefs profile.

Bold, courageous playcalling, sometimes reckless but always with the intent to win.

Unlike our current coach.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know John, as much as I will be despised for saying this, I wish he fit the Chiefs profile.

Bold, courageous playcalling, sometimes reckless but always with the intent to win.

Unlike our current coach.

I would welcome Martz in KC with open arms, but the guy who should be head coach was not offered a contract (Al Saunders). Carl's prickosity is vividly demonstrated by NOT offering AS the HC job when he and Gun could have powered this team to total dominance in the AFCW. Herm is a "Carl knows best" guy which sours me on his tenure knowing AS has a HUGE history of success in KC and the AFCW.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I would welcome Martz in KC with open arms, but the guy who should be head coach was not offered a contract (Al Saunders). Carl's prickosity is vividly demonstrated by NOT offering AS the HC job when he and Gun could have powered this team to total dominance in the AFCW. Herm is a "Carl knows best" guy which sours me on his tenure knowing AS has a HUGE history of success in KC and the AFCW.

I totally understand where you're coming from and once thought that AS would be the correct choice for the franchise as well, but we'd both be speculating as to how much success AS would have had leading the Chiefs.

Martz is a proven commodity. Freakin' Jon Kitna threw for over 4,000 yards this year! Unfortunately, AS is not. Which is why I think it would have been nice to see the Chiefs front office and ownership go after a truly proven guy, instead of a guy who (in Joe Pos's words) lucks into everything.

[FDS]

Was not Martz the one who was to stuborn to run Faulk in the SB? His ego and Davis's would clash.

FirstDownSamie

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I totally understand where you're coming from and once thought that AS would be the correct choice for the franchise as well, but we'd both be speculating as to how much success AS would have had leading the Chiefs.

Martz is a proven commodity. Freakin' Jon Kitna threw for over 4,000 yards this year! Unfortunately, AS is not. Which is why I think it would have been nice to see the Chiefs front office and ownership go after a truly proven guy, instead of a guy who (in Joe Pos's words) lucks into everything.

I would be wary of Martz as a HC, not an OC. We NEED defense NOW and Carl knows it, hence, Herm. But Herm needs the anti-Herm on offense, and Solari ain't him. Let's hope Solari = AS jr. next year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I would be wary of Martz as a HC, not an OC. We NEED defense NOW and Carl knows it, hence, Herm. But Herm needs he anti-Herm on offense, and Solari ain't him. Let's hope Solari = AS jr. next year.

As I've stated before, I think the defensive improvement happened not because of Herm, but because of another year in Gunther's scheme and the addition of Hali, Page and Ty Law. I think that was inevitable.

I also hope that Solari performs better this year but it seemed to me that he called his best games when Huard was under center. Maybe it was the so-called "reduced playbook", maybe it was chemistry. But it was Solari's first year as an OC in the NFL and it went "okay". Hopefully, he'll improve. But I think it's unrealistic to expect him to produce AS and Martz types of numbers.

Some people have a gifts, others work harder than the next guy to compensate for their lack of gifts. I think Solari falls in the latter of the two categories.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I've stated before, I think the defensive improvement happened not because of Herm, but because of another year in Gunther's scheme and the addition of Hali, Page and Ty Law. I think that was inevitable.

I also hope that Solari performs better this year but it seemed to me that he called his best games when Huard was under center. Maybe it was the so-called "reduced playbook", maybe it was chemistry. But it was Solari's first year as an OC in the NFL and it went "okay". Hopefully, he'll improve. But I think it's unrealistic to expect him to produce AS and Martz types of numbers.

Some people have a gifts, others work harder than the next guy to compensate for their lack of gifts. I think Solari falls in the latter of the two categories.

No doubt in 2006 as he was "learning the passing game" he was the latter. I remember the Jets under Herm had such concerns that they hired Jimmy Raye as Offensive Consultant to help both the HC and the OC. Herm clearly did not get the picture when it came to offense. What most people are missing here is that DV was a career defense/running game HC until he captured lightning in a bottle with Green going down and Arena league QB Kurt Warner winning MVP under Martz's track meet indoor offense scheme.

Herm needs an AS, a Martz, a Norv Turner to make it beyong 9-7.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Herm needs an AS, a Martz, a Norv Turner to make it beyong 9-7.

I totally love the Coryell/Zampese offense but there's just not many disciples left. Cam Cameron is obviously doing extremely well in SD and Ron Turner has turned a moribund offense into an average offense (I'm sure once he gets the right QB and a tight end in place, they'll take off). Norv's done a terrific job in SF, especially considering the youth associated with that offense. When they have a breakthrough, lookout. They could be another dynasty team.

But other than those guys (and Martz), there's not much to chose from. And that's a bummer.

[FloridaMan88]

Mike Martz is the head coach the Chiefs should have hired.

[Redcoats58]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

All I know is that I want 10 straight wins over the Raiders. It's like a consolation prize for 30 years of suckage. How many other NFL franchises can say they've dominated their archrival for five straight years? We should get a bronze trophy of Al Davis getting pissed on if we sweep them again.

Well I remember in the 90's we held a record over the raiders that was like 18 of 22, thats a pretty damn good beating over the years.

[SPchief]

Its like a convention of Vermeil knobsuckers in this thread.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by kczoo

and The Raiders pick a franchise QB with their pick, arent we on the bottom of the food chain in the AFC West?

We finished ahead of Denver this year, so why wouldn't they be at the bottom of the food chain? Huh?

[CupidStunt]

Some of you guys are funny.

We should've hired Martz after 5 years of similar ineptitude with Dick?

Wow.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I've stated before, I think the defensive improvement happened not because of Herm, but because of another year in Gunther's scheme and the addition of Hali, Page and Ty Law. I think that was inevitable.

I also hope that Solari performs better this year but it seemed to me that he called his best games when Huard was under center. Maybe it was the so-called "reduced playbook", maybe it was chemistry. But it was Solari's first year as an OC in the NFL and it went "okay". Hopefully, he'll improve. But I think it's unrealistic to expect him to produce AS and Martz types of numbers.

Some people have a gifts, others work harder than the next guy to compensate for their lack of gifts. I think Solari falls in the latter of the two categories.

It won't matter how good Solari is or isn't. Herm determines the game plan. run run run etc. Her said he wants a punishing ground game as his offense.