For all you football experts that wanted Croyle...it's all about the Oline - Page 3

chris · 10-07-2007, 01:32 PM

With this line, Farve, Brady, whomever, would look bad.

Forget about Croyle.

Shift your boring whining to the awful Oline.

PastorMikH · 10-07-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

That's some amazing spin right there. People were bashing Huard to no end for throwing to his checkdowns in the first two games.

The difference is Huard was, and still is, deciding which checkdown to throw to BEFORE THE BALL IS SNAPPED. That is why Wilson gets the ball out in the flats so quickly. He's supposed to be the 3rd to 4th option, Huard was going to him first.

keg in kc · 10-07-2007, 03:17 PM

That's because Croyle goes to his checkdown after scanning the field and finding no one open, whereas Huard apparently decides at the snap he's going to his, especially if he sees anything that looks remotely like a guy getting ready to blitz.

That might be why Croyle's checkdown throws go for first downs while Huards go for 3-5 yards.

**Lzen** · 10-07-2007, 03:24 PM

I don't know if Croyle is the answer at QB for the future of this team. But the fact of the matter is that this offense actually looks pretty good when Croyle has gotten a chance. Like others have said, Croyle seems to make this offense go. Huard is not an NFL starter. I've said it all season and I have seen absolutely nothing this season to make me change my mind.

GarySpFc · 10-07-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chris

With this line, Farve, Brady, whomever, would look bad.

Forget about Croyle.

Shift your boring whining to the awful Oline.

Oh nonsense! The quarterback needs to throw slightly better than the ruptured ducks we have been seeing.

ChiefaRoo · 10-07-2007, 03:31 PM

I thought Colquitt looked great though.

Megbert · 10-07-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

The offensive Line is pretty shitty.....Huard would be Shitty behind a great Oline.

We know what he is, we know he has no upside, we KNOW he isn't the future.

The team isn't going to be good, isn't going to be a contender.....Find out if Croyle can play or not.

This stretch of Home games is the perfect time to find out if the Chiefs need to draft a QB or not in 08.

Well said.

MadMax · 10-07-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GarySpFc

Oh nonsense! The quarterback needs to throw slightly better than the ruptured ducks we have been seeing.

BLAM! That's a fact.

keg in kc · 10-07-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I don't know if Croyle is the answer at QB for the future of this team. But the fact of the matter is that this offense actually looks pretty good when Croyle has gotten a chance. Like others have said, Croyle seems to make this offense go. Huard is not an NFL starter. I've said it all season and I have seen absolutely nothing this season to make me change my mind.

It's not much in terms of sample size, but Croyle is now 10-17 (58.8%) on the season for 138 yards (8.12 ypa/13.8 ypc) and a TD. 2 sacks.

In the two games that Croyle played, Huard went 38-58 (65.5%) for 371 yards (6.39 ypa/9.76 ypc), 1 TD and 2 INT. 5 sacks.

So Huard's had a higher completion percentage, but significantly lower yards/attempt and /completion.

They're intriguing numbers...

Can Croyle sustain that kind of performance over an entire game? Probably not. He'll get hit more, obviously, and he will turn the ball over (part of the learning curve...). He needs to keep his completion percentage on the good side of 60, too, but he'll also have more chances to go downfield and wouldn't be facing defenses in obvious passing situations every time he's on the field.

Either way, he definitely won't perform with his ass squarely planted on the bench...

MadMax · 10-07-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

That's some amazing spin right there. People were bashing Huard to no end for throwing to his checkdowns in the first two games.

You really are a moron...absolutely reeruned!

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They're intriguing numbers...

They are completely worthless numbers, actually. You couldn't have found a more irrelevant set of data.

Coach · 10-07-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

They are completely worthless numbers, actually. You couldn't have found a more irrelevant set of data.

I think this is more revelent. Today's Chiefs QB ratings aganist the Jaguars.

Huard's QB rating = 68.19
Croyle's QB rating = 92.79

Hammock Parties · 10-07-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

I think this is more revelent. Today's Chiefs QB ratings aganist the Jaguars.

Huard's QB rating = 68.19
Croyle's QB rating = 92.79

Wow. You actually managed to find even MORE irrelevant data. Single-game QB ratings mean absolutely nothing.

**banyon** · 10-07-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

They are completely worthless numbers, actually. You couldn't have found a more irrelevant set of data.

How are yards per completion, completion percentage, and TD/INT's irrelevant to QB play?

Sure-Oz · 10-07-2007, 03:47 PM

We can pass block just not run block worth shit

donkhater · 10-07-2007, 03:48 PM

I thought the O-line protected pretty well this game. Terry is no gem, but he wasn't a turnstile.

There is just no explosion off the ball in the run game. Those bashing Larry are only partially right. he is trying a little too hard and his selfish attitude (particulary after a win) is not the mark of a leader. But you don't produce like he did last year and suddenly go into the toilet. No I don't buy it. And you shouldn't be sellin' it.

Rather, teams are still willing to see if Damon Huard and the dynamic Edwards brain trust will take what the other team is willing to concede instead of slowly bleeding away with LJ.

Remember last season when NE went to Minnesota with the Vikings having one of the best rush defenses in the league. What did NE do? They hardley ran the ball at all and blew them out. Herm and Co. are to stubborn to do something like that. Instead it takes 2.5 quarters to figure it out.

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donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	I thought the O-line protected pretty well this game. Terry is no gem, but he wasn't a turnstile. There is just no explosion off the ball in the run game. Those bashing Larry are only partially right. he is trying a little too hard and his selfish attitude (particulary after a win) is not the mark of a leader. But you don't produce like he did last year and suddenly go into the toilet. No I don't buy it. And you shouldn't be sellin' it. Rather, teams are still willing to see if Damon Huard and the dynamic Edwards brain trust will take what the other team is willing to concede instead of slowly bleeding away with LJ. Remember last season when NE went to Minnesota with the Vikings having one of the best rush defenses in the league. What did NE do? They hardley ran the ball at all and blew them out. Herm and Co. are to stubborn to do something like that. Instead it takes 2.5 quarters to figure it out. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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