Verdict Reached in Dog Road Rage Case - Page 3

KCWolfman · 07-13-2001, 07:42 PM

Dan - If he were jailed for destruction of property, I would agree with you. He was a hazard on the highway and a thief to take the dog. Is that worth three years imprisonment, no.

Clint in Wichita · 07-13-2001, 07:46 PM

I don't get it. It's OK to wipe out a species so that lumberjacks can keep their jobs, but if you throw a dog into traffic you get arse-raped for 3 years?!

If there is a God, that dog's owner should have some serious explaining to do when she's being judged!! :mad:

Michael Michigan · 07-13-2001, 07:49 PM

Russ (kcw)-

The law was on the books. He broke the law. He has now been sentenced for it.

Let me preface this next point by saying I own a few homes. Probably more than most of you.

I don't advocate what arsonists do (although some of you will undoubtedly attempt to paint my response that way), but there is no house on this planet that is worth three years of a human being's life. Fact is that I would burn my house, your house, and every unoccupied house I found to save the life of one solitary human being.

There is no argument that can be made to convince me that a house, a condo, a townhouse, a mobile home, etc. is as important as a person.

Sue an arsonist, force him to counselling, make him clean up roadsides. But jailing him is the pentultimate politically correct thing to do - no substance, only feeling.

Jim Hunter · 07-13-2001, 07:49 PM

If some dude reached into my car & threw my dog into traffic , 3 years in the pen would have seem like a picnic comparitively.

DanT · 07-13-2001, 07:55 PM

There are people killed as the direct result of arsons ALL THE TIME. It's entirely appropriate, in my opinion, to punish arsonists to try to deter their life-depleting activity.

DanT · 07-13-2001, 07:57 PM

If a dumbass is tossing rocks into traffic from a highway overpass, the dumbass deserves serious punishment whether his rocks actually land on the cars below or not.

KCWolfman · 07-13-2001, 08:05 PM

Michigan makes a valid point that is difficult to argue. However, the person was charged with the death of a dog, not the loss of property. Had he been charged with theft, I would partially agree with you. However, the value of the theft would be misdemeanor at most. Let me ask this:

Let's assume my wife had a tumor removed and she was killed in a horrible fire, and all I had left was the tumor. Let's continue to assume that I was in an accident and the man I hit came to my car and threw the tumor in the road to be squashed by oncoming traffic. That was the last living part of my wife. Does the man deserve 3 years prison for killing it?

Dan - He was not charged with being a hazard on the highway, he was charged with killing a dog.

Michael Michigan · 07-13-2001, 08:27 PM

russ-

michigan's post was a parody of your rambling "I own more animals than you" reply.

Obviously a poor one.

The point was...you are wrong.

The law is on the books he broke it...off to jail.

Don't pass go, don't collect $200.

DanT · 07-13-2001, 08:31 PM

KCWolfman,

We can't know for certain unless we do the experiment, but-taking a WILD GUESS here-I'd say that there's a hell of a lot more motorists that would swerve to avoid hitting a dog than would swerve to avoid a tumor.

The different values that the society at large puts on these two objects is part of the reason why there was a law on the books that says that this particular ******* could get three years for what he did.

Similarly, the society at large probably--taking another WILD GUESS--tends to regard a person that beats up other peoples' dogs as different than a person that beats up other peoples' tumors.

Michael Michigan · 07-13-2001, 08:39 PM

Dan-

Perhaps Russ could lobby the legislature on behalf of tumors and get the law passed.

;)

DanT · 07-13-2001, 08:48 PM

Aw man, I can't believe I didn't catch that Michigan's post was a parody. I didn't think that a journalist would use "pentultimate" (sic) like that, but I figured it was just a fluke and kept plowing ahead!

I'm the second guy in the last day or so to fall for this. Over on the Pen, raiderhader mistook one of Hank's parodies as a serious post. Oh well, at least I'm in good company! ;)

Michael Michigan · 07-13-2001, 08:59 PM

Dan-

:)

I just copied and pasted not really carefully reading myself.

I'm now hoping that I won't be sued for plagiarism and blatantly horrible parody.

:D

KCWolfman · 07-13-2001, 10:04 PM

Dan - Again, He was not charged with endangering motorists. He was charged with killing someone's property. I just dont see how killing property is a felonious response for prison time. It is simply not logical..

Michigan - I agree, a law is a law is a law. But when animals are protected to the same levels as humans, then the law is wrong and needs to be changed.

KCWolfman · 07-13-2001, 10:06 PM

Dan - And you are stating that my love for my wife and her remaining parts that serve no purpose are less valid than the love for a tiny dog that serves no purpose other than to please her owner.

KCWolfman · 07-13-2001, 10:13 PM

Michigan - Believe me, my tumor analogy sounds no sillier to you than someone believing that a dog is worth 3 years of a human life to me.

07-13-2001, 07:42 PM	#1
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Dan - If he were jailed for destruction of property, I would agree with you. He was a hazard on the highway and a thief to take the dog. Is that worth three years imprisonment, no. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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07-13-2001, 07:46 PM	#2
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't get it. It's OK to wipe out a species so that lumberjacks can keep their jobs, but if you throw a dog into traffic you get arse-raped for 3 years?! If there is a God, that dog's owner should have some serious explaining to do when she's being judged!! :mad:
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07-13-2001, 07:49 PM	#3
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Russ (kcw)- The law was on the books. He broke the law. He has now been sentenced for it. Let me preface this next point by saying I own a few homes. Probably more than most of you. I don't advocate what arsonists do (although some of you will undoubtedly attempt to paint my response that way), but there is no house on this planet that is worth three years of a human being's life. Fact is that I would burn my house, your house, and every unoccupied house I found to save the life of one solitary human being. There is no argument that can be made to convince me that a house, a condo, a townhouse, a mobile home, etc. is as important as a person. Sue an arsonist, force him to counselling, make him clean up roadsides. But jailing him is the pentultimate politically correct thing to do - no substance, only feeling.
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07-13-2001, 07:49 PM	#4
Jim Hunter Rookie Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado - Western Slope Casino cash: $10004900	If some dude reached into my car & threw my dog into traffic , 3 years in the pen would have seem like a picnic comparitively.
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07-13-2001, 07:55 PM	#5
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4031711	There are people killed as the direct result of arsons ALL THE TIME. It's entirely appropriate, in my opinion, to punish arsonists to try to deter their life-depleting activity.
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07-13-2001, 07:57 PM	#6
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4031711	If a dumbass is tossing rocks into traffic from a highway overpass, the dumbass deserves serious punishment whether his rocks actually land on the cars below or not.
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07-13-2001, 08:05 PM	#7
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Michigan makes a valid point that is difficult to argue. However, the person was charged with the death of a dog, not the loss of property. Had he been charged with theft, I would partially agree with you. However, the value of the theft would be misdemeanor at most. Let me ask this: Let's assume my wife had a tumor removed and she was killed in a horrible fire, and all I had left was the tumor. Let's continue to assume that I was in an accident and the man I hit came to my car and threw the tumor in the road to be squashed by oncoming traffic. That was the last living part of my wife. Does the man deserve 3 years prison for killing it? Dan - He was not charged with being a hazard on the highway, he was charged with killing a dog. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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07-13-2001, 08:27 PM	#8
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	russ- michigan's post was a parody of your rambling "I own more animals than you" reply. Obviously a poor one. The point was...you are wrong. The law is on the books he broke it...off to jail. Don't pass go, don't collect $200.
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07-13-2001, 08:31 PM	#9
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4031711	KCWolfman, We can't know for certain unless we do the experiment, but-taking a WILD GUESS here-I'd say that there's a hell of a lot more motorists that would swerve to avoid hitting a dog than would swerve to avoid a tumor. The different values that the society at large puts on these two objects is part of the reason why there was a law on the books that says that this particular ******* could get three years for what he did. Similarly, the society at large probably--taking another WILD GUESS--tends to regard a person that beats up other peoples' dogs as different than a person that beats up other peoples' tumors. Last edited by DanT; 07-13-2001 at 08:34 PM..
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07-13-2001, 08:39 PM	#10
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Dan- Perhaps Russ could lobby the legislature on behalf of tumors and get the law passed. ;)
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07-13-2001, 08:48 PM	#11
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4031711	Aw man, I can't believe I didn't catch that Michigan's post was a parody. I didn't think that a journalist would use "pentultimate" (sic) like that, but I figured it was just a fluke and kept plowing ahead! I'm the second guy in the last day or so to fall for this. Over on the Pen, raiderhader mistook one of Hank's parodies as a serious post. Oh well, at least I'm in good company! ;)
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07-13-2001, 08:59 PM	#12
Michael Michigan scribe Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Dan- :) I just copied and pasted not really carefully reading myself. I'm now hoping that I won't be sued for plagiarism and blatantly horrible parody. :D Last edited by Michael Michigan; 07-13-2001 at 10:39 PM..
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07-13-2001, 10:04 PM	#13
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Dan - Again, He was not charged with endangering motorists. He was charged with killing someone's property. I just dont see how killing property is a felonious response for prison time. It is simply not logical.. Michigan - I agree, a law is a law is a law. But when animals are protected to the same levels as humans, then the law is wrong and needs to be changed. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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07-13-2001, 10:06 PM	#14
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Dan - And you are stating that my love for my wife and her remaining parts that serve no purpose are less valid than the love for a tiny dog that serves no purpose other than to please her owner. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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07-13-2001, 10:13 PM	#15
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Michigan - Believe me, my tumor analogy sounds no sillier to you than someone believing that a dog is worth 3 years of a human life to me. __________________ How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! Samuel Adams
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