Who's got the best overall team? MU or KU or OU?

[KChiefs1]

If you just base it on conference only statistics then you have to say MU...the round robin tournament starting on the 24th will be interesting to watch.

11/24/07 KU vs MU at Arrowhead
12/01/07 OU vs winner of KU/MU at the AlamoDome

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-.../confonly.html




SCORING OFFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Missouri.................. 5 26 25 1 0 9 0 210 42.0
2. Kansas.................... 5 26 22 0 0 8 0 202 40.4
3. Oklahoma State.......... 5 25 25 0 0 6 0 193 38.6
4. Kansas State............. 6 26 25 1 0 13 0 222 37.0
5. Texas Tech............... 6 26 25 0 0 5 0 196 32.7
6. Texas....................... 6 26 24 0 0 5 0 195 32.5
7. Oklahoma................ 5 21 17 0 0 3 0 152 30.4
8. Colorado................... 6 16 16 0 0 11 0 145 24.2
9. Nebraska.................. 6 17 15 2 0 4 0 133 22.2
10.Texas A&M................ 6 16 13 1 0 5 0 126 21.0
11.Iowa State............... 6 13 13 0 0 4 0 103 17.2
12.Baylor..................... 6 9 7 0 0 4 0 73 12.2


SCORING DEFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Missouri.................. 5 12 8 0 0 5 0 95 19.0
2. Kansas................... 5 12 10 2 0 4 0 98 19.6
3. Oklahoma............... 5 13 13 0 0 3 0 100 20.0
4. Texas..................... 6 18 17 1 0 5 0 142 23.7
5. Texas A&M.............. 6 18 17 0 0 6 0 143 23.8
6. Texas Tech.............. 6 20 20 0 0 4 0 152 25.3
7. Kansas State............ 6 20 18 0 0 6 0 156 26.0
8. Oklahoma State......... 5 21 20 1 0 4 0 160 32.0
9. Colorado................... 6 23 20 0 0 12 0 194 32.3
10.Iowa State............... 6 28 27 1 0 5 0 212 35.3
11.Nebraska.................. 6 32 27 0 0 8 0 243 40.5
12.Baylor..................... 6 30 30 0 0 15 0 255 42.5

[kstater]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk

uhmmm both teams play both of those teams

He was looking at the statistics compared to each other. KU hasn't played ISU yet and MU hasn't played KSU yet.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by kstater

He was looking at the statistics compared to each other. KU hasn't played ISU yet and MU hasn't played KSU yet.

What's the chance of KSU playing with a chip onit's shoulders after the butt whipping NU did to them ?

[kstater]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

What's the chance of KSU playing with a chip onit's shoulders after the butt whipping MU did to them ?

It was NU and,

Slim to none. But they are a much better team at home. The offense is so inconsistent it's hard to say what they are going to do. If the offense gets rolling the defense gets fired up and they are a decent team. If the offense struggles the defense struggles. Missouri would be wise to run the ball a lot though.

[HC_Chief]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

I don't think ANYONE can stop MU's offense. Only hope is to contain them, hold them to 30 or less, and score whenever you get the ball. MU WILL beat you deep at least once per game... barring a catostrophic injury (Chase Daniel), that passing game simply has too many weapons to stop.

KU's best chance to win the game is to run the ball down MU's throat. Brandon McAnderson and Jake Sharpe need to gash the MU D and control the clock. Sustained drives that result in TDs and keep the MU O on the sideline... that's how you beat them. If the D can get a stop or two, KU can stretch the margin of victory; else it's going to be a close one with a sh*tload of points scored!

This will be, by far, the best game played @ Arrowhead this season!
RCJGKU

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

you have to remember this.....the OU vs MU game was in NORMAN OKLAHOMA!

Also in six Big 12 games, Missouri has scored more points and given up fewer than Kansas despite playing Texas Tech and Oklahoma instead of Baylor and Okie State, and also playing Iowa State instead of K-State. Just food for thought.

IMHO, I think OU vs MU is going to be a lot closer in San Antonio then many people think & I think that MU is a better team.

Ok St scores more than Tech, and Ku's already played KSU. They are 3 & 4 in scoring in the B12 and KU played both on the road. The scoring D 's are so close that it's pretty negligible b/c MU has held their own vs the top offenses. NU's offense looks like its a night and day once they switched QB's. I'd still give KU the edge on D, and MU the edge on O.

You can look at a lot of the stats and it shows a lot of similar strengths for both teams in different areas. You can check out the numbers at link below. Some of the rankings are pretty negligible and others pretty big. The main number is the rank based on big 12 play vs Big 12 teams, the one in parenthesis is the teams statistical number.


Penalties:
KU 1 (17) , MU 2 (22), OU 4 (25)

Opponents w/ most penalties vs respective team:
MU 3 (39), OU 5 (31), KU 11 (24)

Turnover margin
MU 4 (3), KU 1 (12), OU 4 (3)

Red zone offense
OU 1 (100), MU 2 (96.3), KU 3 (87.1)

Red zone D:
OU is 1 (68.8), KU is 5 (78.6), MU 12 (91.7)

3rd down conversions:
MU 1 (57.1), KU 5 (46.8), OU 3 (52.1)

Opp. 3rd down conversions:
KU 1 (30.8), OU 3 (37.3), MU 6 (43.5)

Time of Possession:
MU 7 (29:15), OU 8 (29:11), KU 4 (31:59)

Kickoff Coverage:
KU 3 (43.9), MU 8 (41.4), OU 10 (39.9)

Punting
MU 7 (35.3), KU 11 (32.0), OU 5 (36.7)

Punt Return Avg:
MU 8 (4.9), KU 11 (2.3), OU 8 (2.7)

Sacks against:
KU 10 (12), MU 5 (8), OU 3 (6)

Sacks:
OU 1 (12) tied with KSU
MU 3 (11) 2nd behind OU and KSU
KU 9 (7) tied w 3 teams (so 2nd to last behind NU)

Rush D- yards / game
MU 2 (83.8), KU 1 (64.0), Ou 3 (100.4)

Rush O- yards / game
MU 5 (149.8), KU 4 (206.2), Ou 7 (145.0)

Pass D- yards / game
MU 4 (247.0), KU 8 (280.0), OU 3 (246.8)

Pass O- yards / game
MU 2 (332.2), KU 8 (233.0), Ou 9 (217.8)

Opp. least 1st downs:
MU 3 (96), KU 1 (84 ), Ou 2 (92)

1st Downs
MU 6 (127), KU 7 (125), Ou 11 (100)

Pass D efficiency
MU 2 (110.3 63.1%), KU 1 (108.3 / 56%), Ou 6 (130.1 / 66.1%)

Pass efficiency
MU 3 (152.4 / 70.5%), KU 5 (138.5 / 63.4%), Ou 4 (148.1 / 62.9%)

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-.../confonly.html

[Mr. Laz]

overall talent level goes to OU


offense goes to MU
Defense goes to KU
coaching goes to OU



edge goes to OU while MU and KU are really too close to call.



1. OU
2. MU
3. KU

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by kstater

It was NU and,.

I knew this, sorry for the typo.......

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by 88-31-10

OU already beat MU.

Barely, and in a stadium where OU has only lost twice in the Bob Stoops era. Colorado beat OU so does that mean they are better than OU?

A game in Columbia or in a neutral site like San Antonio could turn out much different.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

MU by 10 ?

MU vs OU ? OU the 2nd time around too .....

Is that good enough for you Tiggers.

Now, KU has had a great run this year and we are happy for them.

Now for all of you Tiggers, GFY ........

Now I hope KU somehow kicks MU's ass ..........

Finally, damn, been needling you for days!

[HolyHandgernade]

I think Mangino and his staff make excellent halftime adjustments. If the score is close at halftime in any game KU plays, I give them the edge, stats be damned!

-HH

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Finally, damn, been needling you for days!

You peckerheads knew I was not expecting a KU win in Arrowhead. With that said, can KU win ? Yes, but things must fall just right.

Now Go, begone on your merry way. FTR, I want youto win this saturday against KSU, you should. But in the event KU was to win against MU, it looks better on KU's resume for the BCS games.

[LiL stumppy]

OU will win it all.

[beer bacon]

I wish MU would have gotten OU @Columbia this season. OU's offense hasn't been exactly spectacular away from Norman.

[KChiefs1]

I'm just saying based on conference-only stats MU has so far been shown to be the better team.

MU vs OU on a neutral field should be a very entertaining game.

[Bump]

boy if we win at Arrowhead this place is going to melt down.