4 games in, how is Brodie progressing as a QB - Page 3

Wile_E_Coyote · 12-17-2007, 12:18 PM

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scale of one to ten

Mr. Laz · 12-17-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I gave him an 8, with the O-line and coaching he's working with.

yep ..... the real question should be "How much better would Brodie's progression have been on a real team with real coaching?"

Fish · 12-17-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

I gave him a 4 mostly because he hasn't done enough to justify the Chiefs passing on a Ryan, Brohm or Woodson should the Chiefs be in a position to draft any of those QBs in the first round.

You're grading how Brodie has done this year on the basis of who you think might be available in next year's draft?

Somethin's a matter with your brain..........

Brock · 12-17-2007, 04:46 PM

I like him. I feared he was made of glass, but he seems to be holding up against some pretty rough treatment.

Micjones · 12-17-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Good arm. Can makes all the throws. Good decision-making given his tenure. Calm and collected. Competitive. Tough. Makes the reads. Stuff like that.

FAX

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

talastan · 12-17-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

yep ..... the real question should be "How much better would Brodie's progression have been on a real team with real coaching?"

Agreed!! Get him someone that can block for him and he'll surprise all of you.

beer bacon · 12-17-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

Clearly, Chad Pennington is the answer. If a QB doesn't put up Brady-esque his first four games then you know he is a flop!

Coach · 12-17-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

FWIW, it does take a QB a whole season to season and half to figure out how exactly good he could be.

Factor in the awful line protection, and the coaching staff. If we have an ACTUAL coaching staff who knows what the **** they're doing, perhaps Croyle could be better.

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 05:00 PM

I can't believe people aren't being patient with Brodie. He needs to be the starter for a full 16 games next year before we even think about going after another QB.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-17-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-17-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

This may be THE most assinine post I've seen on this topic...

Crush · 12-17-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Ryan Leaf had a live arm.
I'm not impressed with that.

He isn't playing well enough at this stage to warrant us handing the keys to him.

He simply hasn't put the big game together yet.
And he's had opportunities.

I'll give him 2 more games before I make up my mind, but unless he shows up big I think they need to consider a Derek Anderson or Matt Ryan.

Jesus tap dancing Christ, let him frigging develop.

Crush · 12-17-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

This may be THE most assinine post I've seen on this topic...

I know.

The stupidity of this fan base knows no bounds.

**RealSNR** · 12-17-2007, 05:06 PM

He's played behind a shitty offensive line with no help from the running game or the playbook. Furthermore, the coach giving him pointers on how to be a better passer was a guy named Dick Curl.

That's like taking a young wine, adding a gallon of piss to it, and it still tastes okay. Furthermore, if we had some sort of device to take the piss out of the wine and allow it to age the proper way, it would almost certainly turn into a great beverage. Or something like that.

Point is, he's been given no help whatsoever from this organization and he's done better than many of us thought he would. I'll take it.

kcfanXIII · 12-17-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I know.

The stupidity of this fan base knows no bounds.

in fairness, chief fans haven't seen a young qb development in a long long time.

i give him a 5. i see things i like, things i don't (mainly the picks). i'm a patient fan. i'm willing to give him next season to develope. however i think derek anderson would make a nice insurance policy.

CoMoChief · 12-17-2007, 05:22 PM

I'll give him an 8. Here's why....

He plays behind one of the worst Oline's in football. Brodie in a few games has played better than David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Alex Smith. All 3 Qb's that were 1st round selections (2 being #1 overall) but played behind shitty Olines. Canning Chris Terry was a great idea and should have done that a long time ago.

We also don't have a good running game. I don't think we ran the ball as much as we probably should have on Sunday, and Kolby Smith has showed more promise than Johnson has all season.

His footwork is pretty good and is getting better. His arm is a cannon, probably the strongest armed QB the Chiefs have had since God knows when.

His decision making is the real issue here, which this is just his 4th game starting, and good decision making comes with experience and playing time, which is why we should have started Croyle in week one and which is why Carl is NOT the right man for job while the Chiefs rebuild.

It's pretty hard to evaluate a young QB when the cast around him is playing like shit. That's why it is important as hell to keep Herm away from the offense. His ability to evaluate offense is just as terrible as it was for DV to evaluate defense.

Herm needs to stay away from the offense. Curl needs to leave (what the **** does he do anyways?) and Solari needs to have the leash taken off of him these last couple games just to see if he really has what it takes.

View Poll Results: Rate Croyle's progression
10-progessing into Montana	6	5.61%
9	1	0.93%
8	24	22.43%
7	34	31.78%
6	23	21.50%
5-treading water/Gaz option	13	12.15%
4	2	1.87%
3	2	1.87%
2	1	0.93%
1-regressing into Leaf	2	1.87%
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $3210478	I can't believe people aren't being patient with Brodie. He needs to be the starter for a full 16 games next year before we even think about going after another QB. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-17-2007, 05:06 PM	#43
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $875208	He's played behind a shitty offensive line with no help from the running game or the playbook. Furthermore, the coach giving him pointers on how to be a better passer was a guy named Dick Curl. That's like taking a young wine, adding a gallon of piss to it, and it still tastes okay. Furthermore, if we had some sort of device to take the piss out of the wine and allow it to age the proper way, it would almost certainly turn into a great beverage. Or something like that. Point is, he's been given no help whatsoever from this organization and he's done better than many of us thought he would. I'll take it.
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12-17-2007, 05:22 PM	#45
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7862254	I'll give him an 8. Here's why.... He plays behind one of the worst Oline's in football. Brodie in a few games has played better than David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Alex Smith. All 3 Qb's that were 1st round selections (2 being #1 overall) but played behind shitty Olines. Canning Chris Terry was a great idea and should have done that a long time ago. We also don't have a good running game. I don't think we ran the ball as much as we probably should have on Sunday, and Kolby Smith has showed more promise than Johnson has all season. His footwork is pretty good and is getting better. His arm is a cannon, probably the strongest armed QB the Chiefs have had since God knows when. His decision making is the real issue here, which this is just his 4th game starting, and good decision making comes with experience and playing time, which is why we should have started Croyle in week one and which is why Carl is NOT the right man for job while the Chiefs rebuild. It's pretty hard to evaluate a young QB when the cast around him is playing like shit. That's why it is important as hell to keep Herm away from the offense. His ability to evaluate offense is just as terrible as it was for DV to evaluate defense. Herm needs to stay away from the offense. Curl needs to leave (what the **** does he do anyways?) and Solari needs to have the leash taken off of him these last couple games just to see if he really has what it takes. __________________
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