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Old 01-06-2008, 10:23 AM  
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I was just watching Sunday NFL Countdown. Mortenson is rumoring that Chan Gailey could becoming our O-Coordinator with Alex Gibbs coaching the O-line.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:29 AM   #31
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I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.
I honestly don't see the point of grooming Croyle for a WC offense, you don't need a strong arm for that...you need great accuracy and shifty feet...might as well draft Ryan....
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:31 AM   #32
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well, whatever...no matter who Herm hires, he'll will be subject to Herms outdated conservative philosophies...

we will sit on leads, and play for FGs early in the game rather than going for the kill....that will never change...
Agreed.

That team you saw last night: Jags is who Herm aspires to be.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:33 AM   #33
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I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.
Gailey isn't a WCO guy.

And like GOATSE said earlier, Gailey has shown that he adjusts his scheme to the players around. He has aired it out on some teams and ran it with others.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:35 AM   #34
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I personally don't like the fit at all - it's another very complicated offense with a huge playbook that takes years to learn. Troy Aikman hated it. I think the Chiefs probably put out feelers to Alex Gibbs who recommended Gailey as they worked together in Denver in the 80's.

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I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.
His offense is not West Coast and is not based on a power running game. It has lots of 4 wide receiver sets with running backs kept in to block. Not tight end friendly at all. From this link:

http://www.texnews.com/1998/1999/cowboys/off1024.html

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones offered this perspective:

"We all know there are a lot of different offenses, a lot of different schemes, a lot of different ways to play the same player, and if you can put it all together, you can win a Super Bowl. We've seen that. Different types of coaches, different styles of offenses can win Super Bowls." Gailey's system is more running to the outside; Turner's offense, more running off-tackle.
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These are styles different from each other. There is more power blocking in Turner's offense; there is more pulling in Gailey's offense.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:37 AM   #35
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Agreed.

That team you saw last night: Jags is who Herm aspires to be.
yup, to a T


and the Jags are good, there are worse things to be...but, well, I'd rather build something that didn't see offense and defense as enemies...
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I honestly don't see the point of grooming Croyle for a WC offense, you don't need a strong arm for that...you need great accuracy and shifty feet...might as well draft Ryan....

You don't need a strong arm for any one offense over another - Holmgren certainly maximized Favre, as does McCarthy - both of whose offenses rely heavily on West Coast principles.
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You don't need a strong arm for any one offense over another - Holmgren certainly maximized Favre, as does McCarthy - both of whose offenses rely heavily on West Coast principles.
great, go get me Holmgren....and Farve....then I'll sign on...
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:43 AM   #38
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I personally don't like the fit at all - it's another very complicated offense with a huge playbook that takes years to learn. Troy Aikman hated it. I think the Chiefs probably put out feelers to Alex Gibbs who recommended Gailey as they worked together in Denver in the 80's.



His offense is not West Coast and is not based on a power running game. It has lots of 4 wide receiver sets with running backs kept in to block. Not tight end friendly at all. From this link:

http://www.texnews.com/1998/1999/cowboys/off1024.html

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"We all know there are a lot of different offenses, a lot of different schemes, a lot of different ways to play the same player, and if you can put it all together, you can win a Super Bowl. We've seen that. Different types of coaches, different styles of offenses can win Super Bowls." Gailey's system is more running to the outside; Turner's offense, more running off-tackle.
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These are styles different from each other. There is more power blocking in Turner's offense; there is more pulling in Gailey's offense.
Yep, you're right -- it's not power running at all (which is a good thing, imo.), but I do think his passing is WCO-style.
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i freely admit i'm being a negative nelly...

i'm more concerned with the OC's ability to develop a QB than I am the particulars of his philosophy, actually..
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What strikes me as funny is that we are looking at all these zone blocking guys for OC. It seems like the first part of the AS offense that Herm scrapped was the outside runs that featured zone blocking.
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What strikes me as funny is that we are looking at all these zone blocking guys for OC. It seems like the first part of the AS offense that Herm scrapped was the outside runs that featured zone blocking.

Yeah, I have a feeling that it was Herm, not Solari, that wanted to go towards the smash-mouth running attack that we featured so ineffectively. If Herm stayed, Solari had to go, just for credibility's sake. At least perhaps Herm realized that smash-mouth doesn't work. Whoever was at fault this year -- and my guess is that it was more Herm than Solari -- a fresh start and perhaps and edict from Peterson that Herm not interfere, it simply can't get any worse than it was this year.
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Awesome, a retread who can't hack it in college.

There's nothing quite like circling the drain.

Yet people want Cam Cameron, who just went 1-15.
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Alex Gibbs huh? So you guys are going to run the old bitch blocking scheme like the donks and faiders?
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Gailey and Gibbs would be a good combination.

On a positive note, I do like what Im hearing about how he builds and adjusts his schemes to the talents of the players, but Im not gonna hold my breath on that and rely on what I hear because sometimes HC can be full of it anyway?

but building a scheme to what your players can do best is definately a smart thing to do. I love the sound of that. Hopefully Herm's philosophy can stay away from that, and hopefully he can stay away from the offense period.
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