Chiefs Brodie likes his signal calls to be no longer than a word... - Page 3

Direckshun · 05-30-2008, 04:23 PM

WTF?

This is really weird stuff. I'm not sure what to make of it.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/641996.html

Croyle knows he still needs to win over Chiefs
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

All it takes is a simple word for Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle to spring into action.

Colt. Pony. Dragon.

Any of those words describe a play, the protection and the formation in the Chiefs’ new offense. Having to say just one word in the huddle has lifted a burden in Croyle’s bid to establish himself as the team’s starting quarterback.

He’s not bogged down by the wordiness and complicated terminology that often leads to mistakes and interceptions.

“I really like the offense,” Croyle said Thursday after the Chiefs completed their second week of the on-field portion of their offseason program. “I’m very comfortable, surprisingly. The reads are pretty clear right now for us.

“It’s a pretty simple offense. It’s giving guys the chance to go out and play, not a whole lot of thinking about it, just go out and line up and go.”

Croyle, a third-round draft pick in 2006, was given every chance to win the starting job last year. The club cleared the way by trading veteran Trent Green and gave Croyle an inside track during the preseason.

But he performed poorly in the preseason, allowing veteran backup Damon Huard to open the season and start the first eight of nine games. Once the season was out of hand, Croyle started six of the final seven games — all losses in a 4-12 season — though in fairness he was handicapped by a dilapidated offensive line and absence of running back Larry Johnson.

This year, the job is again Croyle’s to lose. And he’s not about to let another opportunity slip through his fingers.

“I didn’t win the job last year when I wanted to,” Croyle said. “It obviously was not the right time. We got some games under our belt last year, and we’re ready to go.

“This offense gives me a chance to be patient and more consistent … make the right reads and don’t try and force things. Everybody when they get in there, they want to make big plays and win a bunch of games. Usually when you do that, you get yourself in trouble and throw interceptions and bad things happen.”

The Chiefs gave Croyle an enormous vote of confidence when they did not take a quarterback with any of their 12 draft picks. Head coach Herm Edwards senses a different demeanor in Croyle, 25.

“He’s been pretty consistent in throwing the football … a lot more confident than he’s ever been around here,” Edwards said. “He’s feeling he’s the quarterback and that’s a good thing.

“The offense is very similar to what he’s run before. He likes the names of how we (call plays). It gives him an opportunity to do some things at the line of scrimmage where he can get out of the play. He can handle all that.”

Durability has been another issue that has dogged Croyle throughout his career, including high school and college. He missed one start because of a back injury and left another game because of a hand injury. Edwards is convinced a better supporting cast will keep Croyle in one piece.

And new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey is confident a healthy Croyle can be a franchise-type quarterback.

“There’s no question in my mind he can be that guy,” Gailey said emphatically. “There’s no question.”

While Croyle would have to play absolutely dreadfully in training camp to lose the starting job to Huard or second-year man Tyler Thigpen, he realizes this won’t be his team until he leads the Chiefs to some victories.

Croyle has played in just one victory in a Chiefs uniform, when he mopped up the last two possessions of a 41-0 rout of San Francisco in the third week of his rookie season. Since then, he’s appeared in 10 games, all losses.

“When we go out and start winning football games, that’s the first time people will start believing,” he said when asked whether he feels this is his team.

“As good of (practices) and minicamps as I can possibly have, and even a great training camp and even a great preseason, it doesn’t really mean much until you win some football games.

“You don’t call it your team or huddle until you win.”

**007** · 05-30-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

our offense has nowhere to go but up

ChiefFan31 · 05-31-2008, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

I didn't realize Chan Gailey was fired and Herm was named the offensive coordinator.

Well then, you should realize that Herm has significant input in offensive philosophy.

chagrin · 05-31-2008, 05:07 AM

I hate Herm Edwards, as a Head Coach

Quesadilla Joe · 05-31-2008, 05:20 AM

Croyle sucks

**Rausch** · 05-31-2008, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I hate Herm Edwards, as a Head Coach

But when he strips for money you're cool with it?

jspchief · 05-31-2008, 06:18 AM

Not a big deal to me. I've always felt like execution was a hell of a lot more important than trying to trick your opponent with complexity.

It doesn't do any good to keep their defense guessing if our offense is guessing too.

milkman · 05-31-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

The more simplified this offense gets the easier it will be for defenses to figure us out.

Hell there are teams around the league that have stated its not hard to prepare for the Chiefs.

Half of the reason some offenses are good and some are bad is because of not being predictable. Which in Herm's case, we will run a play and won't change it no matter the circumstance. If there are 10 ****in guys in the box and we call a running play, then we will run that play no matter what. And it will fail 10 times out of 10 because 6 people can't block 10

You can't expect players to execute perfectly on every play. There are good players on the other side of the line of scrimmage. It's all about creating mis matches and in this case Herm has no ****in clue on what that means.

Al Saunders gets a lot of credit around here, but the fact is, he succeeded here because he had one of the all time great O-Lines blocking for his plays to succeed.

You can be predictable, you can run a simple offense, or you can try to baffle 'em with bullshit.

It doesn't matter.

If you can block 'em, you're going to succeed.

If you can't you're ****ed.

BigChiefFan · 05-31-2008, 08:59 AM

Shit down both legs on two. Hut, hut, hike.

milkman · 05-31-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Shit down both legs on two. Hut, hut, hike.

That's three words.

BigChiefFan · 05-31-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That's three words.

I never said he could grasp the offense.

milkman · 05-31-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I never said he could grasp the offense.

Actually, all you did was prove that you couldn't grasp the concept.

ChiefsCountry · 05-31-2008, 09:19 AM

I dont get where everybody thinks some simiply offense will be easy to stop. Heck the best football is when your opponent knows what the hell is coming and they cant stop you.

milkman · 05-31-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I dont get where everybody thinks some simiply offense will be easy to stop. Heck the best football is when your opponent knows what the hell is coming and they cant stop you.

Pretty much what I was saying.

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Originally Posted by milkman

Al Saunders gets a lot of credit around here, but the fact is, he succeeded here because he had one of the all time great O-Lines blocking for his plays to succeed.

You can be predictable, you can run a simple offense, or you can try to baffle 'em with bullshit.

It doesn't matter.

If you can block 'em, you're going to succeed.

If you can't you're ****ed.

Coogs · 05-31-2008, 09:29 AM

I guess I still don't understand why anyone would complain about something like this. If a simplified vocabulary leads to a better team, then what is not to like? If we have more time at the line of scrimmage with a chance to audible, then I would think this would be a good thing.

I have said this more than once over the past couple of years, but I am going to toss this out again. I'm not real certain how simple the Colts offense is, but it looks darn simple from my couch at home. You get Reggie Wayne on the left side, Marvin Harrison on the right side nearly every single time. Manning has usually 15 seconds or there abouts to survey the defense. He finds the MLB and points it out for his linemen for blocking schemes. He might move a RB over, or switch sides with a TE, but very little to no motion. And they run a play based off of how the defense is set up.

If something like that is where we are headed, I am all for it. Run it if they are not stacking the box, throw it if they are. Simple word or hand signals to get everyone on the same page.

And I will save you the time. If only we had Manning, Harrison, yada yada yada...

Coogs · 05-31-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I dont get where everybody thinks some simiply offense will be easy to stop. Heck the best football is when your opponent knows what the hell is coming and they cant stop you.

Started typing my post before you put this one up. I agree totally with you, and am trying to get that same point across.

05-30-2008, 04:23 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Brodie likes his signal calls to be no longer than a word... WTF? This is really weird stuff. I'm not sure what to make of it. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/641996.html Croyle knows he still needs to win over Chiefs By RANDY COVITZ The Kansas City Star All it takes is a simple word for Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle to spring into action. Colt. Pony. Dragon. Any of those words describe a play, the protection and the formation in the Chiefs’ new offense. Having to say just one word in the huddle has lifted a burden in Croyle’s bid to establish himself as the team’s starting quarterback. He’s not bogged down by the wordiness and complicated terminology that often leads to mistakes and interceptions. “I really like the offense,” Croyle said Thursday after the Chiefs completed their second week of the on-field portion of their offseason program. “I’m very comfortable, surprisingly. The reads are pretty clear right now for us. “It’s a pretty simple offense. It’s giving guys the chance to go out and play, not a whole lot of thinking about it, just go out and line up and go.” Croyle, a third-round draft pick in 2006, was given every chance to win the starting job last year. The club cleared the way by trading veteran Trent Green and gave Croyle an inside track during the preseason. But he performed poorly in the preseason, allowing veteran backup Damon Huard to open the season and start the first eight of nine games. Once the season was out of hand, Croyle started six of the final seven games — all losses in a 4-12 season — though in fairness he was handicapped by a dilapidated offensive line and absence of running back Larry Johnson. This year, the job is again Croyle’s to lose. And he’s not about to let another opportunity slip through his fingers. “I didn’t win the job last year when I wanted to,” Croyle said. “It obviously was not the right time. We got some games under our belt last year, and we’re ready to go. “This offense gives me a chance to be patient and more consistent … make the right reads and don’t try and force things. Everybody when they get in there, they want to make big plays and win a bunch of games. Usually when you do that, you get yourself in trouble and throw interceptions and bad things happen.” The Chiefs gave Croyle an enormous vote of confidence when they did not take a quarterback with any of their 12 draft picks. Head coach Herm Edwards senses a different demeanor in Croyle, 25. “He’s been pretty consistent in throwing the football … a lot more confident than he’s ever been around here,” Edwards said. “He’s feeling he’s the quarterback and that’s a good thing. “The offense is very similar to what he’s run before. He likes the names of how we (call plays). It gives him an opportunity to do some things at the line of scrimmage where he can get out of the play. He can handle all that.” Durability has been another issue that has dogged Croyle throughout his career, including high school and college. He missed one start because of a back injury and left another game because of a hand injury. Edwards is convinced a better supporting cast will keep Croyle in one piece. And new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey is confident a healthy Croyle can be a franchise-type quarterback. “There’s no question in my mind he can be that guy,” Gailey said emphatically. “There’s no question.” While Croyle would have to play absolutely dreadfully in training camp to lose the starting job to Huard or second-year man Tyler Thigpen, he realizes this won’t be his team until he leads the Chiefs to some victories. Croyle has played in just one victory in a Chiefs uniform, when he mopped up the last two possessions of a 41-0 rout of San Francisco in the third week of his rookie season. Since then, he’s appeared in 10 games, all losses. “When we go out and start winning football games, that’s the first time people will start believing,” he said when asked whether he feels this is his team. “As good of (practices) and minicamps as I can possibly have, and even a great training camp and even a great preseason, it doesn’t really mean much until you win some football games. “You don’t call it your team or huddle until you win.”
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1314349	I guess I still don't understand why anyone would complain about something like this. If a simplified vocabulary leads to a better team, then what is not to like? If we have more time at the line of scrimmage with a chance to audible, then I would think this would be a good thing. I have said this more than once over the past couple of years, but I am going to toss this out again. I'm not real certain how simple the Colts offense is, but it looks darn simple from my couch at home. You get Reggie Wayne on the left side, Marvin Harrison on the right side nearly every single time. Manning has usually 15 seconds or there abouts to survey the defense. He finds the MLB and points it out for his linemen for blocking schemes. He might move a RB over, or switch sides with a TE, but very little to no motion. And they run a play based off of how the defense is set up. If something like that is where we are headed, I am all for it. Run it if they are not stacking the box, throw it if they are. Simple word or hand signals to get everyone on the same page. And I will save you the time. If only we had Manning, Harrison, yada yada yada...
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