Chiefs Chiefs' D stats since Gun's return - Page 3

FringeNC · 11-16-2008, 07:41 PM

Cumulatively, since 2004 only the Detroit Lions have given up more yards.

Anyone who claims Gun is competent is a moron.

DaWolf · 11-16-2008, 10:15 PM

Carl forced Vermeil to hire Gunther back. For that Carl should be fired.
Herm elected to keep Gunther around. For that Herm should be fired.
Gunther should have been fired three years ago. There is no excuse for keeping him around. And he has the audacity to say last week that he's actually proud of the job he's done. Give me a break...

chiefzilla1501 · 11-16-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Ah, my apologies then. I was thinking he was running a 3-4.

Even that though, the talent level is just horrible on the defensive side, and I'm not sure any DC would be able to do it right, especially when you have starters that are from the street guys.

I don't think the talent is horrible. I think they're poorly coached. We need a playmaker on the defensive line and a leader at MLB. THen, I think we'll be just fine. We have two cover corners and ballhawking safeties--they're creating a lot of turnovers with no pressure, just imagine what they can do if they get just a hint of pressure. We're getting pretty decent play of late from our interior linemen. And I think Hali and McBride would be fine in a rotational role.

A lot of our yards were given up on big plays, and most of them were given up because of 1, 2, or more missed tackles. Tackling is extremely coachable.

I don't think we're as far away as we think. I really think that if our players can tackle, we'd be much higher ranked.

blueballs · 11-16-2008, 10:17 PM

Gunther this is the internet
and you're fired
again

FringeNC · 11-16-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Carl forced Vermeil to hire Gunther back. For that Carl should be fired.
Herm elected to keep Gunther around. For that Herm should be fired.
Gunther should have been fired three years ago. There is no excuse for keeping him around. And he has the audacity to say last week that he's actually proud of the job he's done. Give me a break...

Gun is a folk hero for some reason, and very few seem willing to hold him to objective measures of performance. The myth of Gunther Cunningham's success and the reality of it are miles apart.

Mr. Laz · 11-16-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoReerun_KC

Yet GROB is somewhere laughing at us....

GROB got fired today btw

booger · 11-16-2008, 11:18 PM

I want this guy as the new DC next year. 10 years under Jim Johnson is good enough for me.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/te...sp?coach_id=10

Hopefully with Steve Spagnola as the New HC but if Herm stays he would be a good DC for him too.

this from PFW

“(Eagles defensive coordinator) Jim Johnson has developed a lot of good lieutenants. Teams looking for a defensive coordinator are going to have to take a close look at his position coaches. Sean McDermott has been the secondary coach and linebackers coach. He comes from the same line as (Ravens head coach John) Harbaugh, (and defensive coordinators) Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera and Steve Spagnuolo. He’s been in the system for 10-some years and has worked his way up the ranks. He played at William & Mary with (Steelers head coach) Mike Tomlin. He’s not going to fly under the radar much longer. Rivera just got promoted (to defensive coordinator in San Diego). Spags and Frazier are in line for top jobs. The Jim Johnson pipeline is hot.”
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...dibles2319.htm

Reerun_KC · 11-16-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

GROB got fired today btw

True, but! Was his Defenses ever this pathetic? I know they were historically bad, but wow, Herm has taken us to new lows...

kcxiv · 11-17-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GoReerun_KC

True, but! Was his Defenses ever this pathetic? I know they were historically bad, but wow, Herm has taken us to new lows...

yes, they were worse imo. Them team had all their starters and they still were bad.

King_Chief_Fan · 11-17-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Cumulatively, since 2004 only the Detroit Lions have given up more yards.

Anyone who claims Gun is competent is a moron.

But, if you use the same logic as the Herm lovers, you could say that Gun:
1) inherited GROB's defense system and players
2) started to turn it around then came Herm
3) Change in D system
4) now has to get players to play in said system.
5) takes time to develop those players

If this team sucking this bad isn't Herm's fault, it sure as heck isn't Gun's.

Gun owns alot of the blame, but having the defensive guru Herm as the head coach pretty much takes things out of his grasp doesn't help his case. I am all for firing them all and starting over.

**the Talking Can** · 11-17-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Carl forced Vermeil to hire Gunther back. For that Carl should be fired.
Herm elected to keep Gunther around. For that Herm should be fired.
Gunther should have been fired three years ago. There is no excuse for keeping him around. And he has the audacity to say last week that he's actually proud of the job he's done. Give me a break...

rep infinity

**alpha_omega** · 11-17-2008, 08:39 AM

Wow...i knew when i read the title of this thread that it was going to be bad....but i didn't realize how bad.
Yikes...the Detroit Lions?!?!?!?!

KCJohnny · 11-17-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

But, if you use the same logic as the Herm lovers, you could say that Gun:
1) inherited GROB's defense system and players
2) started to turn it around then came Herm
3) Change in D system
4) now has to get players to play in said system.
5) takes time to develop those players

If this team sucking this bad isn't Herm's fault, it sure as heck isn't Gun's.

Gun owns alot of the blame, but having the defensive guru Herm as the head coach pretty much takes things out of his grasp doesn't help his case. I am all for firing them all and starting over.

Fair is fair.

Brock · 11-17-2008, 08:49 AM

Gunther sucks, he hasn't done anything noteworthy in over a decade.

KCJohnny · 11-17-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Gunther sucks, he hasn't done anything noteworthy in over a decade.

Here we go again.

Over a decade = 11 years ago or more. Gun had 2 #1 defenses in 1995 and 1997.

Brock · 11-17-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Here we go again.

Over a decade = 11 years ago or more. Gun had 2 #1 defenses in 1995 and 1997.

You're aware it's 2008?

11-16-2008, 07:41 PM
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