Chiefs Trade LJ to N.E? - Page 3

cardken · 11-20-2008, 12:53 PM

It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because:

KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith

NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon)

KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable

NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009

Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)

Mr. Laz · 11-20-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Honestly, NE is one of the few teams that would part for an extra second... The only problem I see, is they would not for one sole reason.. LJ sucks at blocking so they would have to take him out on passing downs.. NE probably has players in mind that can help better protect Brady for next year then whiffing on blocks or blocking into their QB..

yep ... LJ's blocking is a huge problem

unlike Herm, most head coaches try and keep their QB's from getting killed.

**ChiefGator** · 11-20-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cardken

KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith

I like Jamaal on the field, personally. But I'm getting a little sick and tired of hearing this poppy-cock about "we have amazing depth at RB". We have ONE proven RB, and that's LJ. And if he trully is declining, we have ZERO proven RB's. That does not DEPTH make.

The Colts have depth.
The Giants have depth.
The Titans have depth.

We have an over-the-hill RB and lots of young guys who greatest claim to fame is being as futile as LJ behind our putrid O-Line.

I hope Jamaal stays healthy and can string together big games, but right now, do we really have some great RB depth?

Alphaman · 11-20-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Moving LJ doesn't create a hole....

Yeah it does. We don't have a starting RB without LJ. Charles isn't durable enough to handle the role and neither is Smith. Remember, Smith missed time last year which is why Battle ended up starting a game or two. If we label Croyle as injury prone, we have to put the same label on Smith.
Further, Smith doesn't have the explosion needed to be an every down back.

Brock · 11-20-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

Yeah it does. We don't have a starting RB without LJ. Charles isn't durable enough to handle the role and neither is Smith. Remember, Smith missed time last year which is why Battle ended up starting a game or two. If we label Croyle as injury prone, we have to put the same label on Smith.
Further, Smith doesn't have the explosion needed to be an every down back.

LJ can be easily replaced.

Mecca · 11-20-2008, 04:06 PM

The team is 1-9 does it really matter about the game in 3 days?

And 2ndly you don't want proven RB's, RB's have the shortest span of any career, you want young guys who play through 1 contract and are let go for more young guys.

The RB position should be looked at like college you get your 4 or 5 years with em then move on to the next young guy.

Alphaman · 11-20-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

LJ can be easily replaced.

I would agree if we didn't have numerous other holes to fill. That was my point, we have too many holes to fill to create another hole by getting nothing in return for LJ. We MUST acquire the following: DE, MLB, OLB (2), OG (2), OT, CB, and QB. Creating another hole is not wise.

LJ can still be a productive back in this league. After missing 4 games this year, I'll go out on a limb and say that LJ still runs for 1000 yards this season.

Brock · 11-20-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

I would agree if we didn't have numerous other holes to fill. That was my point, we have too many holes to fill to create another hole by getting nothing in return for LJ. LJ can still be a productive back in this league. After missing 4 games this year, I'll go out on a limb and say that LJ still runs for 1000 yards this season.

LJ is way, way more trouble than he's worth. You could pick up an undrafted free agent and get the same production and a lot less bullshit to go along with it.

Alphaman · 11-20-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

LJ is way, way more trouble than he's worth. You could pick up an undrafted free agent and get the same production and a lot less bullshit to go along with it.

No you could not get the same production. You may get a better character guy, I'll grant you that, but you won't get the same production as LJ. I believe he'll rush for 1000 yards in 12 games this year. That's very good production.

Further, as I said, you can begin to mitigate the character issues by going after his money.

chiefs1111 · 11-20-2008, 04:23 PM

nobody is going to want to trade for LJ period. we would be lucky to get a bag of jock straps for him,let alone any draft picks....

Brock · 11-20-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

No you could not get the same production. You may get a better character guy, I'll grant you that, but you won't get the same production as LJ. I believe he'll rush for 1000 yards in 12 games this year. That's very good production.

Further, as I said, you can begin to mitigate the character issues by going after his money.

You'd get a better character guy and you'd get a guy who could block and catch the ball. Basically, Larry Johnson wishes he was as good as Marion Barber in all three phases of his game.

Alphaman · 11-21-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You'd get a better character guy and you'd get a guy who could block and catch the ball. Basically, Larry Johnson wishes he was as good as Marion Barber in all three phases of his game.

1) Marion Barber was not a college free agent as you said we could get to replace LJ's production.

2) To get a guy like Barber, we'd have to draft one in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round. AGAIN, we have too many holes to fill to create another one for our limited number of draft picks.

3) I agree LJ has demonstrated bad character, mediocre blocking (though he did pretty well against New Orleans) and mediocre pass catching. However, a RB's #1 priority is production with the ball in his hand. He still gives us value in that category.

4) As I stated before because of LJ's suspension we have a window to go after some of his guaranteed money. We should take advantage of that window to turn that money into incentive money based on meeting attendance and participation, off the field behavior, blocking grades and production. LJ is motivated by money, use it to our advantage.

chagrin · 11-21-2008, 08:22 AM

Is this direckshun's alt?

Brock · 11-21-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

1) Marion Barber was not a college free agent as you said we could get to replace LJ's production.

2) To get a guy like Barber, we'd have to draft one in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round. AGAIN, we have too many holes to fill to create another one for our limited number of draft picks.

Okay, let's use Willie Parker or even Ryan Grant instead of Marion Barber. The point stands, replacing Larry Johnson isn't that big of a deal. And I don't agree that Jamaal Charles couldn't do it anyway.

beach tribe · 11-21-2008, 09:40 AM

The only problem with that is that the Pats aren't idiots.

Direckshun · 11-21-2008, 09:48 AM

I think the most we're going to get is a conditional pick for LJ based on production.

It could go as high as a 2nd if he gets elected to the Pro Bowl (which I think he's still capable), or as low as a 6th if he doesn't even break 800 yards or something.

11-20-2008, 12:53 PM
cardken Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Trade LJ to N.E? It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because: KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon) KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009 Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)
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11-21-2008, 09:48 AM	#45
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	I think the most we're going to get is a conditional pick for LJ based on production. It could go as high as a 2nd if he gets elected to the Pro Bowl (which I think he's still capable), or as low as a 6th if he doesn't even break 800 yards or something.
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