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Joe Satriani Sues Coldplay for Plagiarism
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/160...coldplay.jhtml
Dec 5 2008 9:27 AM EST Coldplay Sued By Joe Satriani For Allegedly Plagiarizing 'Viva La Vida' Melody Guitarist claims the Grammy-nominated song is a rip-off of his track 'If I Could Fly.' By Gil Kaufman Not long after Coldplay's Viva la Vida album hit shelves this summer, the blogosphere exploded with suggestions that the title track bore a striking resemblance to a 2004 instrumental track by rock guitarist Joe Satriani titled "If I Could Fly." Now, Satriani has accused the band of copyright infringement in a lawsuit filed on Thursday in Los Angeles federal court, according to a Reuters report. A day after the Coldplay album was nominated for seven Grammys, including Record and Song of the Year for "Viva la Vida," Satriani's suit claims that "Viva" incorporates "substantial original portions" of his track "If I Could Fly," from the Is There Love in Space? album. |
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12-05-2008, 03:58 PM | #31 | |
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No money will come out of Coldplay's pocket. The music publisher will owe Satriani his back royalties if the judgment is made in his favor. The music publisher at that point would make a financial adjustment to Coldplay's co-publishing account in the amount of back royalties due to Satriani. Regarding Vanilla Ice, he "sampled" the David Bowie/Freddie Mercury song. Before ANY royalties can be paid (mechanical, performance or sync), the song splits must be agreed upon by all interested parties (in this case, Bowie, Mercury and "Ice"). |
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12-05-2008, 06:37 PM | #32 | |
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I think Satriani's case is considerably less valid than Huey Lewis,' but I should say that my opinion is that neither case should (should have) been held up. There are only 12 notes in all of western music. There are only 6 practical and common chords to use in any given key. Of all the millions of songs written every year, you just can't make any completely original pop song anymore. That's not to say that if it's obvious that somebody is just re-writing somebody else's songs that they shouldn't have to split royalties. But I don't think this is a Dane Cook situation here. This is coincidental, and all you do is lower the bar for music everywhere when you make musicians comb the entire history of music to see if they're allowed to publish a song they wrote in good faith. Lets not forget that George Harrison was also sued for the same thing. You'd have to be smoking crack to think that George Harrison is ripping people off. |
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1. Joe Satriani is known worldwide and has sold ten of millions of records. 2. Satriani's song was released four years prior to Coldplay's. 3. The main melody is identical. 4. The key of the song is identical 5. The arrangement is nearly identical 6. The tempo is exactly the same. 7. The simple fact that you can lay one song over the other and they're in perfect time and pitch is an excellent indicator of plagiarism. Again, the Letter of the Law states "Lyric and Melody". Lyric being 50% and Melody being 50%. There is no statute for chord progressions or percussion or production or anything else. Lyric & Melody. In my professional opinion (backed up by nearly 40 years in the music business, more than a decade spent in music publishing including copyrights, royalties, business affairs and creative), Joe Satriani deserves his day in court. PERIOD. And as far as originality is concerned, if you don't think that original and creative music is being recorded everyday across the globe, you're either not exposed or you just have absolutely no clue as to what you're talking about. |
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12-05-2008, 08:43 PM | #34 |
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I interrupt this debate with Satriani news....
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12-05-2008, 09:04 PM | #35 |
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I'd say Joe's gonna get paid. Way too similar to be an accident...
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12-05-2008, 09:13 PM | #36 |
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While we're on this subject, what the hell is up with Kid Rock using "Werewolves of London" to sing about "Sweet Home Alabama"? I'm a bit confused:
Kid Rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA Warren Zevon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhSc8qVMjKM Skynrd's Sweet Home Alabama (which actually sounds like "Werewolves" if you remove parts of the guitar) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLklsj_5HI |
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12-06-2008, 02:55 AM | #39 | |
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1. I know who the guy is. I know he's popular. But that's not exactly relevant. 2. Obviously his song came out first. If it hadn't then this would all be a really dumb argument. 3. The main melody is NOT identical. It contains the same first three notes, and then it is completely different. Further, each song doesn't even have consistent "endings" to the phrase. Each time through the changes, both songs vary what they do over the G and Emin chords. But since the first three notes are the hook for both songs, that's what the listener's ear latches onto. 4. The key of the song IS identical. That's true. But, news flash. There are only 12 keys. Of those keys only 8 of them get used on a regular basis. That includes EVERY song that has been written in the western hemisphere that any human has ever heard. The key of G (these songs) is probably the tied for the most popular key with the key of C. 5. The arrangement isn't just "nearly" identical. It's exactly identical. It's a four chord progression that's been used since the invention of the piano on zillions of songs. (IV-V-I-vi) in the key of G. But if we outlawed anybody else to play any progressions that have been played before... We need to stop making music right now. 6. The tempo is most certainly not the same. The "Meshup" was doctored so that you could hear the two songs together. Satriani's tune is about 15 BPM slower at 128 BMP on average. Coldplays is significantly faster at 142. Both would be considered pretty up-tempo tunes, even for rock. But if you played the two cds together you're not going to get anything like that youtube vid. 7. Your last point only proves that when you take two songs of the same key and slow one down to make it the same tempo as the other, that they will sound good together. Well, that's the whole point of a key! It's so that I can play in the same key as somebody else and always harmonize with them. These are two songs that have the same chord progression and the same first three notes in the melody. That happens a lot, as I tried to show below. But you just don't want to hear my opinion, and for some reason want to bash my reasons and appeal to your authority on the subject. I'm just talking about the songs. |
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Coldplay will be cutting some checks to Satriani over this.
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You can't make it any more clear than you did. Coldplay should hire you. If I was on the jury, I'd vote in favor of Coldplay after what you just posted. |
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There's nothing original about a 4/4 tempo... And, for that matter, apparently that melody. |
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