NFL Draft McShay/Kiper updated mocks - Page 3

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 02:50 PM

1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

Kiper pick: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia -- Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.
McShay pick: Stafford -- It appears the No. 1 pick is Stafford's to lose. The gun-slinging quarterback can seal the deal if he overwhelms the Lions during upcoming individual workouts, film sessions and interviews.

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

Kiper pick: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor -- The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.
McShay pick: Smith -- Smith has emerged as the top offensive lineman in the 2009 class. He possesses the agility, power and work ethic to solidify the left tackle spot for years to come in St. Louis.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Kiper pick: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.
McShay pick: Curry -- The Chiefs choosing to beef up the defensive or offensive line isn't out of the question here, but Curry is the best defensive player in this year's draft and displays the versatility new GM Scott Pioli looks for in a draft pick.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

Kiper pick: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia -- Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion but is a legit top-five pick.
McShay pick: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College -- The Seahawks taking an offensive tackle is a strong possibility here, especially with their recent addition of free-agent DT Colin Cole. However, Raji is the only elite defensive tackle in this class, and the Seahawks, who finished 30th in total defense this past season, must think long and hard before passing on him.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

Kiper pick: B.J. Raji -- Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Orakpo left the combine as the top hybrid DE/OLB in the 2009 class. His pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched just 17 sacks in 2008.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

Kiper pick: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech -- The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.
McShay pick: Eugene Monroe -- Crabtree certainly is a possibility here, but the Bengals need to solidify their offensive line, and Monroe clearly is the next-best option at offensive tackle. He's not a classic mauler by any means, but he is a fluid athlete for his size and would do an excellent job of protecting QB Carson Palmer.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Kiper pick: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri -- Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second clocking in the 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.
McShay pick: Maclin -- Speed will rule in the Oakland draft room as long as owner Al Davis is calling the shots.

12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

Kiper pick: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU -- Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.
McShay pick: Jackson -- The Broncos need to bulk up along the defensive front in order to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 scheme. They could use this pick on a linebacker, but Jackson is the only elite five-technique in this draft class and would fit well in Denver.

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

Kiper pick: Malcolm Jenkins -- Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.
McShay pick: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC -- Maualuga's draft stock could hinge on the severity of the hamstring injury he suffered at the combine and how it affects his individual workouts. Regardless, he's a ferocious hitter with enormous potential. Maualuga's size and explosiveness would make him a great fit at inside linebacker in the Chargers' 3-4 defense.

Todd McShay's Top 20 Still Available

Player	Position	School
1. Louis Delmas	CB	Western Michigan
2. Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut
3. Darius Butler	CB	Connecticut
4. Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
5. LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh
6. Kenny Britt	WR	Rutgers
7. Ron Brace	DT	Boston College
8. Alex Mack	C	California
9. Shawn Nelson	TE	Southern Miss
10. Rashad Johnson	S	Alabama
11. D.J. Moore	CB	Vanderbilt
12. Lawrence Sidbury	DE	Richmond
13. Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
14. Jamon Meredith	OT	South Carolina
15. Max Unger	C	Oregon
16. Jared Cook	TE	South Carolina
17. Michael Johnson	DE	Georgia Tech
18. Paul Kruger	DE	Utah
19. Cornelius Ingram	TE	Florida
20. Steven Beatty	OT	Connecticut

Mel Kiper's Top Players Still Available

Player	Position	School
Eben Britton	OT	Arizona
Phil Loadholt	OT	Oklahoma
Alex Mack	C	California
Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
James Laurinaitis	LB	Ohio State
Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
Louis Delmas	S	Western Michigan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=3972427

I've only included the important picks in the top and then the other AFC west picks, but I've also included the leftovers. I would love it if we could pick up Alex Mack in the 2nd.... we really need a good center and he's the real deal... What do you guys think about Larry English?

htismaqe · 03-12-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

if Curry is the defensive rookie of the year, he was a great pick.

Not if we don't win many games. Individual awards don't mean dick.

Mecca · 03-12-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Me too.

If we hadn't traded for Cassel, this draft might be a no-brainer. Instead, NO player would could take at #3 has great value.

That's part of the reason I didn't like that trade, we basically devalued our own pick.

keg in kc · 03-12-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If we hadn't traded for Cassel, this draft might be a no-brainer. Instead, NO player would could take at #3 has great value.

I think we do everything possible to trade down. If we pick anybody at 3 he's a consolation prize for failing to make a deal.

Just hope to christ that the lions go Curry and stafford falls past the Rams (meaning they don't trade out and get a tackle later).

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-12-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Me too.

If we hadn't traded for Cassel, this draft might be a no-brainer. Instead, NO player would could take at #3 has great value.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's part of the reason I didn't like that trade, we basically devalued our own pick.

Exactly.

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Crabtree is even worse than Curry...

Ok, so you hate everyone possible in this draft? Is that all you do is pick one player (sanchez) and say how he's the only possible pick and all other's suck? I haven't seen you say who you think the Chiefs should pick on draft day.

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's part of the reason I didn't like that trade, we basically devalued our own pick.

Don't lie. You didn't like the trade because it doesn't net us Dirty Sanchez.

Mecca · 03-12-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Ok, so you hate everyone possible in this draft? Is that all you do is pick one player (sanchez) and say how he's the only possible pick and all other's suck? I haven't seen you say who you think the Chiefs should pick on draft day.

This Cassel trade put the Chiefs in a bad spot...

I'd love to hear someone justify a non rush LB or a slow broke foot WR from the spread as the 3rd best player.

DJ's left nut · 03-12-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's kind of the point of why he isn't worth the pick.

I'm guessing you're a Raji guy then?

Because the Cassel trade forced our hands here. We're not going OT, Jenkins is plummeting, there are no DEs worth a damn and I know you don't like Crabtree.

Tyson Jackson?

I mean we don't have a hell of a lot of options here. We're in a bad slot, we won't be able to trade out, so what do we do?

I'd go with Curry as an ILB. It's not a real 'value' pick, but there simply aren't any of those out there unless you count Raji and I think he's more a product of a really weak DT class than he is an actual elite DT.

FAX · 03-12-2009, 03:33 PM

I pray we can find a trading partner and move down.

What a year to have the #3 pick. It used to be that we couldn't win for losing. Now, we can't even lose for losing.

FAX

RustShack · 03-12-2009, 03:34 PM

No matter who we draft this year is a reach. I still think its Crabtree. Pioli has tried bringing a lot of good receivers to the Patriots and Haley is obviously a WR/offense guy. Cassel is our QB and they are going to try to do anything and everything to make him successful.

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This Cassel trade put the Chiefs in a bad spot...

I'd love to hear someone justify a non rush LB or a slow broke foot WR from the spread as the 3rd best player.

Once again, you avoid answering who we should take by just saying everyone else is terrible.

Mecca · 03-12-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No matter who we draft this year is a reach. I still think its Crabtree. Pioli has tried bringing a lot of good receivers to the Patriots and Haley is obviously a WR/offense guy. Cassel is our QB and they are going to try to do anything and everything to make him successful.

Pioli's history of drafting WR's kinda sucks.

htismaqe · 03-12-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think we do everything possible to trade down. If we pick anybody at 3 he's a consolation prize for failing to make a deal.

Just hope to christ that the lions go Curry and stafford falls past the Rams (meaning they don't trade out and get a tackle later).

Yep.

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No matter who we draft this year is a reach. I still think its Crabtree. Pioli has tried bringing a lot of good receivers to the Patriots and Haley is obviously a WR/offense guy. Cassel is our QB and they are going to try to do anything and everything to make him successful.

I would love Crabtree and he's going to be a stud. If we don't take him we'll always know that we could have had a great freaking NFL talent. Even if he is a "broke foot" WR, it's going to heal. It wasn't a big injury.

FAX · 03-12-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No matter who we draft this year is a reach. ...

Seems that way. What a suck draft class.

Although ... maybe we should start thinking long-term. Maybe the Lions don't draft Stafford and we do instead. Then, we have two (maybe three) tradeable quarterbacks to parlay into value next year.

FAX

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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4586954	No matter who we draft this year is a reach. I still think its Crabtree. Pioli has tried bringing a lot of good receivers to the Patriots and Haley is obviously a WR/offense guy. Cassel is our QB and they are going to try to do anything and everything to make him successful. __________________
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