Chiefs Will Shields on the 2009 Chiefs - Page 3

Chiefnj2 · 09-24-2009, 08:09 AM

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Tg_tiny by Joel Thorman on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT in 2009 Campaign C

Former Kansas City Chiefs offensive lineman and future Hall of Fame guard Will Shields talked with the guys at 810 WHB on Monday about a few issues with the Chiefs.

Shields addressed Matt Cassel, from holding onto the ball too long to his injured knee, the wide receivers, the readiness of Bobby Wade and the Jamaal Charles deactivation.

Interestingly, Shields seemed to indicate that at some point the Chiefs players won't want to put up with Todd Haley's hard-nosed, my way or the highway attitude. It's interesting stuff.

I've taken a few snippets from the interview and put them below. Take a look.

On Matt Cassel holding onto the ball too long:

"I was thinking the same thing - he holds onto it a little longer but he tends to move in the pocket a little longer. It's never hitting that fifth step, settling and throwing the ball.

"The keys for a lot of other seasoned vets that have played a lot is when they hit that back step and start to settle....especially when you've been hit as much as he has, that could be a problem that he is so used to having, to move and scramble and buy a little extra time to get the ball, and that creates a whole other issue.

"Last year, he played behind a line that beforehand wasn't having an issue of giving up quarterback sacks. Maybe it is the simple fact of being able to dissect a defense a little better and faster and getting the ball out a little crisper to where he wants to put the ball and that might create those happy feet or the simple fact of him trying to move around in the pocket a little bit."

Star-divide

On Matt Cassel's injured knee:

‘I don't think so. I don't think it's an issue. If you saw how he first hurt his knee, it was when he was scrambling trying to get away from someone. It wasn't like someone came in low and hit him in stride or (while he was) throwing a pass. When that happens, I think that makes someone more conscious of ‘Hey if I plant my foot to throw the ball someone could be around my knee.' I think those guys get more skiddish than someone who was running down the field and someone fell on their legs."

On the wide receivers:

"It's a catch-22. We love quarterbacks that can buy some time and make that homerun hit. On the other end of the spectrum, you have to have those wide receivers that are willing to go lay out and make those plays and keep working back for the ball so that when he (Cassel) is buying more time it's worth his while.

"It seemed that the more he scrambled and making things happen he was having to still put the ball in a perfect spot. It just seemed that the receivers have to make it happen. You've gotta go out and make the quarterback look good regardless."

On Bobby Wade:

"I was very surprised that he could bring in a new guy for a week and he's almost become his favorite target already. It could be that those are the routes that are in this scheme that are supposed to be open more than others. If you look at the Patriots, it's the same offense, same scheme, it's more or less the Wes Welkers and guys underneath that make it happen with these check downs. That's where they make their bread and butter.

"Really, this offense is more of a control, down the field offense, kill ‘em underneath, then when they start shooting the underneath routes you go deep on them. Then besides that you have a hard-nosed running back that runs tough every game. And that's how they set their tone - it's not an offense looking to score 40, 50 points every game."

On the offensive line:

"They didn't play bad. They kept him upright for the majority of the game. The run game picked up a little bit and that's what you want to see -progression each week.

On Jamaal Charles deactivation:

"The reason you haven't noticed it in the past is because it was always a set , standard of guys. You never saw a Dante Hall sitting just to sit. It's always predicated off of injuries and things like that because they have their starting group.

"The new en vogue piece is going with who's going to best benefit us that week. The communication part has to be internally - as a coach they may not feel they need to explain that but as a player you're cognizant and say what is going on? I was a starter last week and now I'm not or not even dressing the week after. In the other sense, they may use it as a motivational tool saying this guys gives us what we need this week so hopefully next week when you're called up you play like game busters to stay up.

"At some point, they'll say enough is enough and basically there are going to be people who put their foot down and say we're going to take all this yelling and screaming or you have to move me on to somewhere else.

"I think it will create problems, and if you remember last year on their Super Bowl run, he had the same issue with Boldin and all those guys and they were basically putting their foot down saying all this stuff you're doing we're not happy with.

"So, they went through the same issues but now as a head coach it gives you more power but you're more in the spotlight. More people are watching everything you do. You have to check your Ps and Qs and say hey I'm going to be me, and that's fine, but make sure you do what you have to do behind closed doors and get it all out or else it's going to be a downward spiral. "

Chiefnj2 · 09-24-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yes, he does.

That being said, it's not going to matter what he does. It's not going to be good enough for most fans until this team starts winning. The little things don't matter at this point when there's a 5000-pound elephant in the room.

Forgive me, but what's the 5,000 pound elephant? Sanchez in NY?

htismaqe · 09-24-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Forgive me, but what's the 5,000 pound elephant? Sanchez in NY?

The fact that this team has only won 6 games since 01/02/07.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-24-2009, 09:55 AM

elephants typically weigh a lot more than 5000 pounds. that particular elephant would not necessarily be worthy of discussing

RippedmyFlesh · 09-24-2009, 10:12 AM

Will Shields on the 2009 Chiefs

wish he was................

htismaqe · 09-24-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

elephants typically weigh a lot more than 5000 pounds. that particular elephant would not necessarily be worthy of discussing

Yeah, I don't know why I typed pounds. I was wanting to type "tons".

Demonpenz · 09-24-2009, 11:00 AM

the elephant in the room means there is a problem that everyone knows about

keg in kc · 09-24-2009, 11:01 AM

unless its pink

**the Talking Can** · 09-24-2009, 11:03 AM

elephant = pink aids tree

htismaqe · 09-24-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

the elephant in the room means there is a problem that everyone knows about

Chief Faithful · 09-24-2009, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Then he has to throw it away before getting hit.

I think part of the issue is his lack of time as a starter. His recognition of when to throw it away will sharpen as he grows as a starter.

htismaqe · 09-24-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I think part of the issue is his lack of time as a starter. His recognition of when to throw it away will sharpen as he grows as a starter.

True.

But as much as I hate to bring it up, doesn't that put us right back into the argument that took place all summer? Basically what we're saying here is that we have a 28-year old ROOKIE QB. That doesn't seem right to me at all.

Chiefnj2 · 09-24-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I think part of the issue is his lack of time as a starter. His recognition of when to throw it away will sharpen as he grows as a starter.

- Lack of starts.
- New playbook in general
- New twists to the playbook within the last 3 weeks.
- New and rotating WRs.
- New and rotating HBs.
- Not a lot of talent at skills positions.
- New and rotating OL.
- Preseason injury.

aturnis · 09-24-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Then he has to throw it away before getting hit.

What do you think Cassel did? He Scrambled and bought more time, and got rid of the ball one way or another. How many sacks did he actually take, two? Too lazy to look it up.

keg in kc · 09-24-2009, 12:21 PM

We'll see how he plays Sunday. What we had against Oakland was a QB coming off a knee injury that hadn't seen live fire since the first series of the 3rd preseason game in an offense that was installed while he was injured. And beyond that, everybody has a bad game now and then; it takes more than 1 for it to become a trend, or a defining trait.

Beyond that, I wouldn't call any game where a guy completes 60+% of his passes horrible, but that's another discussion. I thought he made some good throws, too, but we obviously focus on the picks, and justifiably so, because they were the difference in the game. But he didn't look like Pickpen out there.

htismaqe · 09-24-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

But he didn't look like Pickpen out there.

The sad thing is that there are actually people out there that WANT him to look like Brodie Croyle.

09-24-2009, 08:09 AM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7813688	Will Shields on the 2009 Chiefs Thanks to Arrowhead Pride: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9...cent#storyjump Tg_tiny by Joel Thorman on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT in 2009 Campaign C Former Kansas City Chiefs offensive lineman and future Hall of Fame guard Will Shields talked with the guys at 810 WHB on Monday about a few issues with the Chiefs. Shields addressed Matt Cassel, from holding onto the ball too long to his injured knee, the wide receivers, the readiness of Bobby Wade and the Jamaal Charles deactivation. Interestingly, Shields seemed to indicate that at some point the Chiefs players won't want to put up with Todd Haley's hard-nosed, my way or the highway attitude. It's interesting stuff. I've taken a few snippets from the interview and put them below. Take a look. On Matt Cassel holding onto the ball too long: "I was thinking the same thing - he holds onto it a little longer but he tends to move in the pocket a little longer. It's never hitting that fifth step, settling and throwing the ball. "The keys for a lot of other seasoned vets that have played a lot is when they hit that back step and start to settle....especially when you've been hit as much as he has, that could be a problem that he is so used to having, to move and scramble and buy a little extra time to get the ball, and that creates a whole other issue. "Last year, he played behind a line that beforehand wasn't having an issue of giving up quarterback sacks. Maybe it is the simple fact of being able to dissect a defense a little better and faster and getting the ball out a little crisper to where he wants to put the ball and that might create those happy feet or the simple fact of him trying to move around in the pocket a little bit." Star-divide On Matt Cassel's injured knee: ‘I don't think so. I don't think it's an issue. If you saw how he first hurt his knee, it was when he was scrambling trying to get away from someone. It wasn't like someone came in low and hit him in stride or (while he was) throwing a pass. When that happens, I think that makes someone more conscious of ‘Hey if I plant my foot to throw the ball someone could be around my knee.' I think those guys get more skiddish than someone who was running down the field and someone fell on their legs." On the wide receivers: "It's a catch-22. We love quarterbacks that can buy some time and make that homerun hit. On the other end of the spectrum, you have to have those wide receivers that are willing to go lay out and make those plays and keep working back for the ball so that when he (Cassel) is buying more time it's worth his while. "It seemed that the more he scrambled and making things happen he was having to still put the ball in a perfect spot. It just seemed that the receivers have to make it happen. You've gotta go out and make the quarterback look good regardless." On Bobby Wade: "I was very surprised that he could bring in a new guy for a week and he's almost become his favorite target already. It could be that those are the routes that are in this scheme that are supposed to be open more than others. If you look at the Patriots, it's the same offense, same scheme, it's more or less the Wes Welkers and guys underneath that make it happen with these check downs. That's where they make their bread and butter. "Really, this offense is more of a control, down the field offense, kill ‘em underneath, then when they start shooting the underneath routes you go deep on them. Then besides that you have a hard-nosed running back that runs tough every game. And that's how they set their tone - it's not an offense looking to score 40, 50 points every game." On the offensive line: "They didn't play bad. They kept him upright for the majority of the game. The run game picked up a little bit and that's what you want to see -progression each week. On Jamaal Charles deactivation: "The reason you haven't noticed it in the past is because it was always a set , standard of guys. You never saw a Dante Hall sitting just to sit. It's always predicated off of injuries and things like that because they have their starting group. "The new en vogue piece is going with who's going to best benefit us that week. The communication part has to be internally - as a coach they may not feel they need to explain that but as a player you're cognizant and say what is going on? I was a starter last week and now I'm not or not even dressing the week after. In the other sense, they may use it as a motivational tool saying this guys gives us what we need this week so hopefully next week when you're called up you play like game busters to stay up. "At some point, they'll say enough is enough and basically there are going to be people who put their foot down and say we're going to take all this yelling and screaming or you have to move me on to somewhere else. "I think it will create problems, and if you remember last year on their Super Bowl run, he had the same issue with Boldin and all those guys and they were basically putting their foot down saying all this stuff you're doing we're not happy with. "So, they went through the same issues but now as a head coach it gives you more power but you're more in the spotlight. More people are watching everything you do. You have to check your Ps and Qs and say hey I'm going to be me, and that's fine, but make sure you do what you have to do behind closed doors and get it all out or else it's going to be a downward spiral. "
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