Dog Beat Dog-Pit Bull Sting in Missouri/Midwest

[vailpass]

I'm guessing a couple people here will recognize some of these doings. Long read but good. No cussing here but if you click the link to the rest of the story there are some cusswords so potentially NSFW

Dog Beat Dog: To Pull Off the Biggest Pit Bull Fighting Bust in U.S. History, Investigators and Their Dogs Went Undercover

By Keegan Hamilton Thursday, Sep 2 2010
The grainy footage shows two snarling pit bulls in a dimly lit barn, staring each other down through a haze of cigarette smoke. Walled in by a makeshift ring of three-foot-high plywood boards, the collarless dogs twitch and wag their tails, expending nervous energy like prizefighters shadowboxing in the ring in the moments before the opening bell.

Both dogs are males and have a tan coat and a white belly, which makes it difficult to tell them apart. They're about 10 months old — young for fighters. This is their first taste of combat.

Each dog has a handler who grips it by the scruff of the neck and positions it opposite its foe in the corner of the 16-by-16-foot ring. When they're released, the pit bulls collide with a dull thud. One dog lands on its back and the other pounces, grabbing hold with its jaws. The two animals spend the next several minutes growling and panting, locked in a ferocious struggle.

John Bacon, who owns the dog that's on top, bends at the waist and rests his hands on the knees of his baggy overalls, hovering close to the tangle of fur and flesh. He cajoles his pit bull to release its bite and improve its position. The dogs tumble over one another and Bacon jumps out of the way. "There you go!" he shouts. "That's where you want to be!"

The other dog is getting mauled. It emits a piercing squeal, followed by a whimper. Laughter ripples through the crowd. Joseph Addison, a spectator who wears his hair in a jumble of chin-length braids, suggests it's time to stop the match.

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http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-...nt-undercover/

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by jspchief

I eat cows. That doesn't mean I wouldn't find forcing them to fight to the death to be cruel.

fact-
you cant force an animal to fight.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

fact-
you cant force an animal to fight.

Fact-
If you don't put two dogs in a ring they are a hell of a lot less likely to fight each other to the death.

Use semantics if you want, but the reality is humans are putting these animals in a situation where they face a much higher chance at injury and painful death. For entertainment.

Not to mention, based on what I've read, a dog that "chooses" to not fight in that situation isn't likely to get a Milkbone from his master later that night for being a good boy.

I don't know why you even try to explain away what it really is. We both know what civilized society thinks of it. You'd be better off just admitting that your sense of entertainment is just more twisted than the average person. At least there'd be some honesty to that.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Fact-
If you don't put two dogs in a ring they are a hell of a lot less likely to fight each other to the death.

Use semantics if you want, but the reality is humans are putting these animals in a situation where they face a much higher chance at injury and painful death. For entertainment.

Not to mention, based on what I've read, a dog that "chooses" to not fight in that situation isn't likely to get a Milkbone from his master later that night for being a good boy.

I don't know why you even try to explain away what it really is. We both know what civilized society thinks of it. You'd be better off just admitting that your sense of entertainment is just more twisted than the average person. At least there'd be some honesty to that.

"Civilized Society" has been dog fighting for centuries. If it makes you cry don't watch it but why do you think you have the right to tell someone else what is right or wrong based on your feelings?

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I wouldn't choose dog-fighting as my favorite pastime. However, it has been going on for as long as humans and dogs have been joined. If you're going to get all uppity about dog-fighting then I had better see you at every single anti-war rally and there better not be a piece of meat anywhere near your mouth.

What the **** does war and vegetarianism have to do with cruelty to dogs by making them fight and tear each other up?

It's only recently that the media has brought this country "sport" to the limelight and animal lovers have been horrified.

Oh, okay, so, 'cause we didn't know about it, it was cool.

Do I agree with everything about it? Absolutely not. But these animals are bred and raised specifically for sporting. You know, kinda like the steak you had last night on the grill was raised so you could enjoy the succulent taste of beef in your mouth.

First of all, these dogs are not "bred and raised" for "sporting": they're tortured and harassed to make them mean, and then set on each other to tear each other apart for the amusement of what I'll loosely call "people".

Second, again, you CANNOT COMPARE dogfighting to food-stock. I don't even eat red meat or fowl and even I know this. Animals that are raised for consumption do not equate with animals who are raised to rip into each other so we can illegally bet on it. Could we kill our meat-animals a little more humanely, and treat them better beforehand? Sure. Does it have anything to do with dogfighting? No.

[KCUnited]

I'm in it strictly for the money.

[Inspector]

One time when I was a kid and lived next to a horse boarding ranch, I saw two horses fighting. One was on top of the other one's back with his front feet almost wrapped around the other's neck. I told my mom and she made me go inside and play with my Lincoln logs.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by JD10367

What the **** does war and vegetarianism have to do with cruelty to dogs by making them fight and tear each other up?



Oh, okay, so, 'cause we didn't know about it, it was cool.



First of all, these dogs are not "bred and raised" for "sporting": they're tortured and harassed to make them mean, and then set on each other to tear each other apart for the amusement of what I'll loosely call "people".

Second, again, you CANNOT COMPARE dogfighting to food-stock. I don't even eat red meat or fowl and even I know this. Animals that are raised for consumption do not equate with animals who are raised to rip into each other so we can illegally bet on it. Could we kill our meat-animals a little more humanely, and treat them better beforehand? Sure. Does it have anything to do with dogfighting? No.

And that's all we need to hear from you. Why don't you go disinfect your birkenstocks and iron out your twirling skirt?

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Inspector

One time when I was a kid and lived next to a horse boarding ranch, I saw two horses fighting. One was on top of the other one's back with his front feet almost wrapped around the other's neck. I told my mom and she made me go inside and play with my Lincoln logs.

They weren't fighting, they were gay horses.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by vailpass

"Civilized Society" has been dog fighting for centuries. If it makes you cry don't watch it but why do you think you have the right to tell someone else what is right or wrong based on your feelings?

"Civilized society" also had slavery for centuries. Turns out that society might actually grow in what they determine is civilized.

As far as my "right to tell someone else what is right and wrong", it's not so much based on my personal feelings, as it is based on the laws created, modeled after the values and morals of society.

Don't act like this is some fringe agenda. An overwhelming majority of the people you encounter in your life are not going to be in favor of dog fighting. You aren't going to put it in your personals add, on your resume, or in your eulogy. there's a reason it's happening in shitty barns in the armpits backwoods of this country, and it's not because my feelings are too easily hurt.

[Goldmember]

Originally Posted by vailpass

If they are bred for that I will be happy to throw your puppies in the water. My chocloate lab was in the water early and often as a pup and continues to do so.

I'm not involved in dog fighting but don't see why fighting dogs shouldn't be let to fight. People look at it and think of their family dog and that just isn't the case.

Do you cry about falcon fights or cock fights?

I don't have a problem either. I'm actually training kittens to fight with poisoned-tipped sticks tied to their legs.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

I don't have a problem either. I'm actually training kittens to fight with poisoned-tipped sticks tied to their legs.

Don't **** with a kitten, man. You'll be sorry.

[Inspector]

Originally Posted by JD10367

They weren't fighting, they were gay horses.

Oh


My


GOD!!!!!

I think you may be right. So that's why they were swishing their tails.....

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Fact-
If you don't put two dogs in a ring they are a hell of a lot less likely to fight each other to the death.

Use semantics if you want, but the reality is humans are putting these animals in a situation where they face a much higher chance at injury and painful death. For entertainment.

Not to mention, based on what I've read, a dog that "chooses" to not fight in that situation isn't likely to get a Milkbone from his master later that night for being a good boy.

I don't know why you even try to explain away what it really is. We both know what civilized society thinks of it. You'd be better off just admitting that your sense of entertainment is just more twisted than the average person. At least there'd be some honesty to that.

First off dont try to explain something to someone when you dont have a ****in clue. Second i dont fight dogs nor do i condone the activity. To much wrong and not enough right to tip the justice scales for me to be in favor of it.
What other people do with there dogs isnt my business.

Third i am devoted to this breed, and as a student ive done my home work for goin on two decades. Just because i have knowledge doesnt make me a dog fighter.
And last, **** society. Im sick of regurgitation of what people think they know because they learned it though tv or a 4 page article in some rag or via the web.

The world is right outside that door. Feel free to leave the comfort of your couch and do some exploration.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by vailpass

"Civilized Society" has been dog fighting for centuries. If it makes you cry don't watch it but why do you think you have the right to tell someone else what is right or wrong based on your feelings?

ok then...

does this mean you're pro-choice and pro gay marriage???

[Inspector]

I trained 2 cotton balls to fight but they never hurt each other. It was actually pretty boring.