Chiefs Fixing The Passing Game - Page 3

FAX · 09-22-2010, 12:41 PM

Obviously, we have issues in this area. Our quarterback is a sluggish dolt with no talent and a giant chin. Our receivers are (by many accounts) unable to separate from their respective defenders. Our play caller seems to be intent on perfecting the 4 yard incompletion. And, apparently, hitting McCluster in the flat is a play designed to make McCluster flat.

So, how do we fix the problem? Cassel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so replacing the quarterback seems to be out of the question, our TE is going to find himself triple covered in upcoming games, and we don't have Sippio anymore.

I know that ChiefsPlanet can do this ... what is necessary to get a damn passing game established?

FAX

Disclaimers: Sorry if repost. Sorry if incomplete post.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-22-2010, 01:37 PM

Where's the punter from the Jags with the axe?

A tragic axe accident would fix the passing game.

Reerun_KC · 09-22-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's not.

People were, of course, overrating Chambers when he was playing for a contract last year, but Bowe is a very good receiver. If Damon Huard could get him the ball consistently, there is no reason why the 63 million dollar man shouldn't be able to.

There's no doubt that our receivers are not the same without Gonzalez, who is one of the greatest mismatches in NFL history, but Bowe is a YAC monster, and the C, in this case, is contact. We simply do not target him enough because our QB doesn't understand what open is in the NFL.

Someone was relaying a story about Peyton Manning in his rookie year. He said to Archie, "Dad, no one is open."

Cassel seems to think that you have to be High School open to get the ball. He has to commit to putting it in tight windows. However, given his accuracy, this is a dangerous proposition.

Fair enough, I dont have access to the game film like others do around here, but from what I can see on the broadcast is, our WR's are slow and cannot for the life of them get a step on anyone.

Yes Cassel needs to make the throws or at least at some point get some ****ing confidence to make a throw. He is going to have to grow a pair...

I just cant see them investing anymore into Cassel after this year.

This is my only hope, I dont want to see Cassel in Chiefs gear next fall.

Reerun_KC · 09-22-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I was told this draft was about getting Cassel playmakers.

I don't want to hear the bull shit excuse that he doesn't have options.

Hes got them now..

Shit if Weis would pull his head out of his fat ass and call some screens or something.. Cassel could be the Rich Gannon of the 5 yard pass.

**** at some point get the ball into the hands of the playmakers. Slants, screens, drag routes, swing passes.. Anything....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Where's the punter from the Jags with the axe?

A tragic axe accident would fix the passing game.

He was last with the Pats, so if Colquitt goes down, we have a good chance of signing him.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-22-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He was last with the Pats, so if Colquitt goes down, we have a good chance of signing him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2010, 01:44 PM

Screens don't work if the DL isn't concerned with killing the QB.

If I'm a DC and playing the Chiefs, what incentive do I have to blitz? I know the QB can't pick me apart across the middle of the field and it takes him a long time to make reads. The last thing I want to do is give him a single open hot route to go to, or open up the screen game by having my DE's pin their ears back trying to go outside and kill the QB every play.

If I'm gameplanning against the Chiefs, I just tell my guys to maintain discipline. No need to be aggressive with a QB who can't beat you with time.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-22-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Screens don't work if the DL isn't concerned with killing the QB.

If I'm a DC and playing the Chiefs, what incentive do I have to blitz? I know the QB can't pick me apart across the middle of the field and it takes him a long time to make reads. The last thing I want to do is give him a single open hot route to go to, or open up the screen game by having my DE's pin their ears back trying to go outside and kill the QB every play.

If I'm gameplanning against the Chiefs, I just tell my guys to maintain discipline. No need to be aggressive with a QB who can't beat you with time.

Exactly.

There's no reason to rush more than 4. As long as Cassel holds the ball, chances are good you'll get to him anyway.

See: The only two sacks "given up" by the Chiefs this season.

FAX · 09-22-2010, 01:51 PM

It isn't necessary to run the screen against a blitz. It might be beneficial (if you execute), but unnecessary.

Our rationale for running screens would simply be to try and stretch the defense sideline to sideline. And, if we're real lucky, force the linebackers and safeties to respect the edges. The idea, of course, is to open up the intermediate passing lanes (since we can't throw it any further) a little. Plus, if we could run a screen worth a damn, the fake screen could open things up even more.

FAX

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2010, 01:53 PM

The sad thing is that this was predicted months ago. As nice as it sounds to have a short passing attack, unless you have a threat of an intermediate passing game (which even the WCO has), you can't dink and dunk your way down the field. You end up facing way too many 3rd and 8s.

Good thing the Tampa 2 isn't en vogue anymore, because that scheme would fist **** us.

suds79 · 09-22-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Cassel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so replacing the quarterback seems to be out of the question, our TE is going to find himself triple covered in upcoming games, and we don't have Sippio anymore.

I know that ChiefsPlanet can do this ... what is necessary to get a damn passing game established?.

I think you already know the realistic answer to this question.

It'll be bad as long as Matt Cassel is our QB. Nothing we can do about it so it is what it is.

booger · 09-22-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Split back formation with Charles and McCluster.

yep. they called this monday night with the saints and 9ers. 3-4 buster, Gruden called it. Split back/pro set with the option of both a screen right or left and brees was hitting Dave Thomas and Shockey when both ILB's went twards the screens.

Charles/DMC and Charle/Jones together more often would be nice to see.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

It isn't necessary to run the screen against a blitz. It might be beneficial (if you execute), but unnecessary.

Our rationale for running screens would simply be to try and stretch the defense sideline to sideline. And, if we're real lucky, force the linebackers and safeties to respect the edges. The idea, of course, is to open up the intermediate passing lanes (since we can't throw it any further) a little. Plus, if we could run a screen worth a damn, the fake screen could open things up even more.

FAX

The problem is that if you don't have DE's barreling down the field towards the QB, once the OL release their blocks it gives itself away. They can scrape down the field and blow up the play before it even develops.

On top of that, we already love to run the pump draw and the fake slant/screen to Castille, but neither has proven effective.

Hug it Out Dan · 09-22-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's not.

People were, of course, overrating Chambers when he was playing for a contract last year, but Bowe is a very good receiver. If Damon Huard could get him the ball consistently, there is no reason why the 63 million dollar man shouldn't be able to.

There's no doubt that our receivers are not the same without Gonzalez, who is one of the greatest mismatches in NFL history, but Bowe is a YAC monster, and the C, in this case, is contact. We simply do not target him enough because our QB doesn't understand what open is in the NFL.

Someone was relaying a story about Peyton Manning in his rookie year. He said to Archie, "Dad, no one is open."

Cassel seems to think that you have to be High School open to get the ball. He has to commit to putting it in tight windows. However, given his accuracy, this is a dangerous proposition.

Huard is better than Cassel.....unfortunately.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

yep. they called this monday night with the saints and 9ers. 3-4 buster, Gruden called it. Split back/pro set with the option of both a screen right or left and brees was hitting Dave Thomas and Shockey when both ILB's went twards the screens.

Charles/DMC and Charle/Jones together more often would be nice to see.

Unfortunately, this isn't nearly as effective when there are 8 in the box, because the safety is right there to take away the TE and the flats are smothered by the ILBs.

When you have to play a 2 deep shell to prevent against Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem, it's a hell of a lot easier to open up the short range passing game.

**Rausch** · 09-22-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I was told this draft was about getting Cassel playmakers.

I don't want to hear the bull shit excuse that he doesn't have options.

Yeah, there's no Santa either...

09-22-2010, 12:41 PM
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Fixing The Passing Game Obviously, we have issues in this area. Our quarterback is a sluggish dolt with no talent and a giant chin. Our receivers are (by many accounts) unable to separate from their respective defenders. Our play caller seems to be intent on perfecting the 4 yard incompletion. And, apparently, hitting McCluster in the flat is a play designed to make McCluster flat. So, how do we fix the problem? Cassel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so replacing the quarterback seems to be out of the question, our TE is going to find himself triple covered in upcoming games, and we don't have Sippio anymore. I know that ChiefsPlanet can do this ... what is necessary to get a damn passing game established? FAX Disclaimers: Sorry if repost. Sorry if incomplete post.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	Screens don't work if the DL isn't concerned with killing the QB. If I'm a DC and playing the Chiefs, what incentive do I have to blitz? I know the QB can't pick me apart across the middle of the field and it takes him a long time to make reads. The last thing I want to do is give him a single open hot route to go to, or open up the screen game by having my DE's pin their ears back trying to go outside and kill the QB every play. If I'm gameplanning against the Chiefs, I just tell my guys to maintain discipline. No need to be aggressive with a QB who can't beat you with time. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	It isn't necessary to run the screen against a blitz. It might be beneficial (if you execute), but unnecessary. Our rationale for running screens would simply be to try and stretch the defense sideline to sideline. And, if we're real lucky, force the linebackers and safeties to respect the edges. The idea, of course, is to open up the intermediate passing lanes (since we can't throw it any further) a little. Plus, if we could run a screen worth a damn, the fake screen could open things up even more. FAX
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09-22-2010, 01:53 PM	#39
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	The sad thing is that this was predicted months ago. As nice as it sounds to have a short passing attack, unless you have a threat of an intermediate passing game (which even the WCO has), you can't dink and dunk your way down the field. You end up facing way too many 3rd and 8s. Good thing the Tampa 2 isn't en vogue anymore, because that scheme would fist **** us. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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