Chiefs Great news on CBA - Page 3

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-01-2011, 05:47 PM

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For fb fans, Doty's ruling that NFL can't use $4B in TV money for '11 expenses during lockout is gd news. Could push sides to legit talks.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Doty ruled for Players in TV Case. Overturned Burbank's Decision. All TV Contracts violate CBA. Separate earing to come on the damages.

**chefsos** · 03-01-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Doty really doesn't care for the owners, does he?

I think this might be the point of the whole thing. I read somewhere that he is judicially "in charge" of this CBA. Seems that the owners hope when it goes away, so does he.

milkman · 03-01-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

We need a lawyer to speak here.

This from another thread.

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Originally Posted by milkman

Listening to ESPN Radio this morning, they had Lester Munson on, ESPN legal analyst.

Essentially, to the best of my understanding, the decertification of the union is specifically to battle this.

After decertifying, if the owners lock the players out, the players will sue the owners.

They'll first attempt to get an injunction against the lockout, and if successful, all league business will resume.

After that, the league and players will essentially negotiate with a judge presiding over the negotiations, and the judge will make rulings that will be binding.

He also talked about the owners trying to get the law changed in the Supreme Court last year to make the decertification and lawsuit no longer an option.

Supreme Court ruled against the owners 9-0.

Munson also said that when that happens, if the owners can't prove they are somehow hurting finanacially, they can't win.

Mr. Laz · 03-01-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I've been waiting for you to explain why you think MLB is "all screwed up" because the players make too much money for a while. Feel free to do it here.

just about everything about the business part of baseball is ****ed up ... leading to almost a complete lack of parity and the smaller markets basically become farm teams for the big markets.

the fact that a player can sign a contract while performing at a certain level and then take a nap, sit back and collect is ****ed up.

jesus ... if you weren't already totally bias you would know the endless list of screwed up stuff in MLB. It's been talked about Ad nauseam and i shouldn't need to rehash it.

you just don't give a **** about it being screwed up as long as your union brethren are bending over "the man"

Union born
Union bred
When Brock dies he will be Union dead

Mr. Laz · 03-01-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm an asshole because YOU don't know why the union and owners are at odds?

You live in a ****ing fantasy land.

no, you're an asshole because you automatically assume anyone that disagrees with you about something must be stupid or not "understand" something.

**DeezNutz** · 03-01-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The players aren't asking for any of that.

All they are fighting for is to keep what they've already got.

Don't let facts influence a potential argument.

**alpha_omega** · 03-01-2011, 07:00 PM

Sounds like a fair ruling to me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

no, you're an asshole because you automatically assume anyone that disagrees with you about something must be stupid or not "understand" something.

What the **** are you talking about?

I stated simply that most people don't know or understand the issues. You countered with your typical, non-related, nonsensical bullshit.

Again, Laz, why don't you detail and outline the true issues involved between the union and the owners?

Or are you one of people who doesn't know?

Zip up your pants, Laz. Your labia's showing again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alpha_omega

Sounds like a fair ruling to me.

It's fairly irrelevant because it only affected money from 2012, not 2011.

WV · 03-01-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The owners are the ones with no leg to stand on, unless they can produce proof that the last agreement has hurt them financially.

The fact that they have been unwilling to open their books suggest they have something to hide.

If the players decertify, and then file a lawsuit, the owners will be compelled by a judge to open those books.

When they do, if, as the union believes, it shows just the opposite, the owners will lose.

This is one of the sticking points for me. I don't see why they shoud have to open their books for the NFLPA. I'm fairly certain that any one of our employers would balk at opening their books for their employees. I guess given the fact that they already participate in revenue sharing matters, but even still it wasn't in the expiring contract so why would it be in this one.

The NFLPA is trying to mask the 50/50 revenue split before the owners take their portion off the top as the same as the 60/40 split already in place, but in actuality there is a slight increase in there for the NFLPA. When we're talking the amount of money that's involved here 1 or 2% is huge.

I'm trying to look at this from the business perspective and not the fan perspective, so for me it just doesn't make good business sense to give in to the NFLPA. They're both after the same thing...more $$...but IMO it's the owners who have more of a "right" to the additional revenues.
I know there are other sticking points....rookie wage scaling (which is a must IMO), the 18 game season (which I couldn't care less about) and some questions about benefits.

Mr. Laz · 03-01-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The players aren't asking for any of that.

All they are fighting for is to keep what they've already got.

keeping the same financial package in the worsening economy IS getting more. Besides the owners should have the right to cut cost for THEIR business imo

and when the win this time, what do you think they will ask for next time?

naturally the players want to try and get the courts to force the issue. Judge Doty has been ruling on the NFL labor issues since about 1992 and has taken the Union side in virtually every situation.

looks like somebody is on the Union payroll

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan

This is one of the sticking points for me. I don't see why they shoud have to open their books for the NFLPA.

If the owners claim they're losing money, they should be obligated to prove it.

Taking $1 billion a year off the available income for stadium upgrades and improvements is ****ing bullshit, especially since most of those improvements are paid by the taxpayers.

They need to share their finance reports, period.

**DeezNutz** · 03-01-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

keeping the same financial package in the worsening economy IS getting more. Besides the owners should have the right to cut cost for THEIR business imo

and when the win this time, what do you think they will ask for next time?

naturally the players want to try and get the courts to force the issue. Judge Doty has been ruling on the NFL labor issues since about 1992 and has taken the Union side in virtually every situation.

looks like somebody is on the Union payroll

Fair enough. When the owners prove that their profit margins are declining, they'll "win" going away.

Open the books. Put this whole thing to rest.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

keeping the same financial package in the worsening economy IS getting more.

Apparently, the economy doesn't mean shit because the networks are shelling out more money than ever (willingly) for the NFL.

JFC, you're clueless to these issues.

Brock · 03-01-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

just about everything about the business part of baseball is ****ed up ... leading to almost a complete lack of parity and the smaller markets basically become farm teams for the big markets.

the fact that a player can sign a contract while performing at a certain level and then take a nap, sit back and collect is ****ed up.

jesus ... if you weren't already totally bias you would know the endless list of screwed up stuff in MLB. It's been talked about Ad nauseam and i shouldn't need to rehash it.

you just don't give a **** about it being screwed up as long as your union brethren are bending over "the man"

Union born
Union bred
When Brock dies he will be Union dead

A load of uninformed nonsense. The reason MLB has a seeming lack of parity between the small markets and the large markets is because they don't share revenue. That's not on the players, that's on the owners. Secondly, the NFL with all its supposed parity has had much fewer different league champions than MLB has in the past decade. Thirdly, I don't care what you think of me personally.

Brock · 03-01-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

keeping the same financial package in the worsening economy IS getting more. Besides the owners should have the right to cut cost for THEIR business imo

and when the win this time, what do you think they will ask for next time?

naturally the players want to try and get the courts to force the issue. Judge Doty has been ruling on the NFL labor issues since about 1992 and has taken the Union side in virtually every situation.

looks like somebody is on the Union payroll

Are you willing to take a paycut, laz? Just because your boss says he's hurting? At least tell me you're not THAT dumb.

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