Football ESPN: Ranking the AFC West defensive linemen - Page 3

Ugly Duck · 06-20-2011, 06:55 PM

ESPN's Bill Williamson ranks Tyson Jackson at #9 - almost as high as his draft position! Well, sorta kinda....

1. Richard Seymour, Oakland: He is the class of the division. He is aging, but he is still a brilliant player.

2. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He made great strides in 2010, his third NFL season. He had adjusted well to the 3-4 defense and he is the anchor to a young defense.

3. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Kelly had his best NFL season in 2010 and he pairs very nicely with Seymour. He is tough when he is motivated.

4. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: Dumervil is back to end in a 4-3 after excelling in a 3-4 defense. He struggles against the run, but he is a force as a pass-rusher.

5. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: I really like this player. The second-year player is a potential star.

6. Antonio Garay, San Diego: Garay had a terrific season in 2010. He is a tremendous nose tackle.

7. Luis Castillo, San Diego: Castillo is a solid player, but I’d like to see more impact plays.

8. Matt Shaughnessy, Oakland: He’s another fine young player for Oakland. He has made the most of his opportunities.

9. Tyson Jackson, Kansas City: Jackson has been just so-so. This is a huge season for the No. 3 overall pick of the 2009 draft.

10. Corey Liuget, San Diego: The No. 18 overall pick of the 2011 draft will start at end and he will get a chance to make an immediate impact.

11. Wallace Gilberry, Kansas City: He’s is an underrated player. He can get sacks in bunches.

12. John Henderson, Oakland: He is aging, but he can still help Oakland as a run stuffer.

13. Robert Ayers, Denver: This is a big season for Ayers, the No. 18 pick in 2009. New coach John Fox likes him, so he’ll get a chance to start.

14. Trevor Scott, Oakland: Scott has a chance to be very good. He has natural pass-rushing ability.

15. Ron Edwards, Kansas City: He’s steady. The Chiefs want more help at tackle, but Edwards is OK.

16. Shaun Smith, Kansas City: The Chiefs need to bring him back. He can make an impact.

17. Marcus Thomas, Denver: Denver wants this free agent back.

18. Allen Bailey, Kansas City: The Chiefs are very excited about this third-round pick. He could play right away.

19. Kevin Vickerson, Denver: Denver re-signed him in March.

20. Vaughn Martin, San Diego: It’s time for this project to make a move.

21. Cam Thomas, San Diego: The Chargers still have high hopes for this second-year player.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ensive-linemen

Ace Gunner · 06-21-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Not really. He didn't get sacks, but he wrecked some shit last year.

he sure did, but he's far from being a dominant player or a beast

boogblaster · 06-21-2011, 08:06 AM

who did it ...

Pasta Little Brioni · 06-21-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster

who did it ...

Who did what? You asking who pooped the bed?

Chiefshrink · 06-21-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Red 5

Tyson Jackson is better than Wallace Gilberry and Shaun Smith? Get the **** out.

Agreed

I'm a huge Gilberry fan and I can see a true football heart a million miles away and this guy truly loves the game

Chiefshrink · 06-21-2011, 08:34 AM

We all need to take Williamson list here and create our own rankings of reality here. What is your ranking of these players? I really respect many Chief die hards here who pride themselves in reality and would like to see everyone's list of these players.

Wickedson2.0 · 06-21-2011, 08:37 AM

Good lord...that's some "list"

beach tribe · 06-21-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think Jackson has clear physical limitations that will keep him from the top 5. But he's not nearly as bad as some people want to make him to be.

Exactly what physical limitations does Jackson have that would keep him from being an outstanding 5-tech?

beach tribe · 06-21-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

he sure did, but he's far from being a dominant player or a beast

No. No, he's not.

Hydrae · 06-21-2011, 10:03 AM

So the Raiders are going to play a 6-3-2 defense with all these great d-linemen?

I just think it is funny that 6 of the top 14 are Raiders.

ToxSocks · 06-21-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Exactly what physical limitations does Jackson have that would keep him from being an outstanding 5-tech?

This. The guy has the frame to be a good 5-tech...he just isn't one.

And don't give me this crap about him being average. Dude is not average. He is not "So-So". He downright sucks. He had a good game against SD before he got hurt, but everything before that was complete garbage.

I was almost embarrassed for him.

**BossChief** · 06-21-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

he sure did, but he's far from being a dominant player or a beast

only watch passing downs, eh?

Do me a favor, ok.

Go back and watch the 15 plays where Hali sacked the Qb and the other 3,256 he got pressure on the opposing passer.

Now, instead of watching Hali on those plays... focus your attention on the work Dorsey put in to free Hali up to be single blocked and become a dominant force.

You will gain a new found respect for the player and what he does for this defense ON PASSING PLAYS.

When you are done there, you can start paying more attention to how well he is against the run to see how much indirect impact Dorsey has on this defense.

**Rain Man** · 06-21-2011, 05:18 PM

That list is wrong. Here's the correct version.

1. Richard Seymour, Oakland: He is the class of the division. He is aging, but he is still a brilliant player.

2. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He made great strides in 2010, his third NFL season. He had adjusted well to the 3-4 defense and he is the anchor to a young defense.

6. Antonio Garay, San Diego: Garay had a terrific season in 2010. He is a tremendous nose tackle.

11. Wallace Gilberry, Kansas City: He’s is an underrated player. He can get sacks in bunches.

4. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: Dumervil is back to end in a 4-3 after excelling in a 3-4 defense. He struggles against the run, but he is a force as a pass-rusher.

3. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Kelly had his best NFL season in 2010 and he pairs very nicely with Seymour. He is tough when he is motivated.

16. Shaun Smith, Kansas City: The Chiefs need to bring him back. He can make an impact.

7. Luis Castillo, San Diego: Castillo is a solid player, but I’d like to see more impact plays.

15. Ron Edwards, Kansas City: He’s steady. The Chiefs want more help at tackle, but Edwards is OK.

5. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: I really like this player. The second-year player is a potential star.

14. Trevor Scott, Oakland: Scott has a chance to be very good. He has natural pass-rushing ability.

17. Marcus Thomas, Denver: Denver wants this free agent back.

8. Matt Shaughnessy, Oakland: He’s another fine young player for Oakland. He has made the most of his opportunities.

No one else is proven at all.

Ugly Duck · 06-21-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

KnowMo will have a heart attack when he sees Dumervil below Dorsey.

"Dumervil is rated below Dorsey because only one of his pectoral muscles is still attached to his sternum. If Dumervil had two pecs like the other players, he'd be rated above Seymour." - KnowMo

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

dude, you're in petaluma - aren't you too rich to be on this board? shouldn't you be fine dining or racket balling?

Petaluma has a one-house token slum. That's my place...

CoMoChief · 06-21-2011, 06:33 PM

Dorsey and Jackson shouldn't be listed that high....esp Jackson.....he shouldn't even be in the top 30 DL. Dorsey was good last season, not great, and def not worth the #2 ranking. Let's hope he earns that and proves people wrong.

Bump · 06-21-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Then you're judging him based on his stat sheet instead of the film.

People exaggerate how bad he is because they're expecting him to be #3 pick talent. He's horrible for a #3 pick. But as an NFL player, he's average, just as Williamson says.

bullshit, I watch every game and he does absolutely nothing. No push, no support, NOTHING. He sucks balls.

Dorsey didn't put up any stats but I saw great things in him last season. He's a HUGE reason why Hali was so great, not to take anything away from Hali's awesomeness last season, but Dorsey's play was great and allowed Hali to get single blocked and dominate. Dorsey = no stats but he was great. Jackson = no stats and he sucked balls in every way.

06-20-2011, 06:55 PM
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	ESPN: Ranking the AFC West defensive linemen ESPN's Bill Williamson ranks Tyson Jackson at #9 - almost as high as his draft position! Well, sorta kinda.... 1. Richard Seymour, Oakland: He is the class of the division. He is aging, but he is still a brilliant player. 2. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He made great strides in 2010, his third NFL season. He had adjusted well to the 3-4 defense and he is the anchor to a young defense. 3. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Kelly had his best NFL season in 2010 and he pairs very nicely with Seymour. He is tough when he is motivated. 4. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: Dumervil is back to end in a 4-3 after excelling in a 3-4 defense. He struggles against the run, but he is a force as a pass-rusher. 5. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: I really like this player. The second-year player is a potential star. 6. Antonio Garay, San Diego: Garay had a terrific season in 2010. He is a tremendous nose tackle. 7. Luis Castillo, San Diego: Castillo is a solid player, but I’d like to see more impact plays. 8. Matt Shaughnessy, Oakland: He’s another fine young player for Oakland. He has made the most of his opportunities. 9. Tyson Jackson, Kansas City: Jackson has been just so-so. This is a huge season for the No. 3 overall pick of the 2009 draft. 10. Corey Liuget, San Diego: The No. 18 overall pick of the 2011 draft will start at end and he will get a chance to make an immediate impact. 11. Wallace Gilberry, Kansas City: He’s is an underrated player. He can get sacks in bunches. 12. John Henderson, Oakland: He is aging, but he can still help Oakland as a run stuffer. 13. Robert Ayers, Denver: This is a big season for Ayers, the No. 18 pick in 2009. New coach John Fox likes him, so he’ll get a chance to start. 14. Trevor Scott, Oakland: Scott has a chance to be very good. He has natural pass-rushing ability. 15. Ron Edwards, Kansas City: He’s steady. The Chiefs want more help at tackle, but Edwards is OK. 16. Shaun Smith, Kansas City: The Chiefs need to bring him back. He can make an impact. 17. Marcus Thomas, Denver: Denver wants this free agent back. 18. Allen Bailey, Kansas City: The Chiefs are very excited about this third-round pick. He could play right away. 19. Kevin Vickerson, Denver: Denver re-signed him in March. 20. Vaughn Martin, San Diego: It’s time for this project to make a move. 21. Cam Thomas, San Diego: The Chargers still have high hopes for this second-year player. http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ensive-linemen
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Hydrae Sandbox: Leander Lasercats Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Casino cash: $1867000	So the Raiders are going to play a 6-3-2 defense with all these great d-linemen? I just think it is funny that 6 of the top 14 are Raiders.
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2778491 VARSITY	That list is wrong. Here's the correct version. 1. Richard Seymour, Oakland: He is the class of the division. He is aging, but he is still a brilliant player. 2. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He made great strides in 2010, his third NFL season. He had adjusted well to the 3-4 defense and he is the anchor to a young defense. 6. Antonio Garay, San Diego: Garay had a terrific season in 2010. He is a tremendous nose tackle. 11. Wallace Gilberry, Kansas City: He’s is an underrated player. He can get sacks in bunches. 4. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: Dumervil is back to end in a 4-3 after excelling in a 3-4 defense. He struggles against the run, but he is a force as a pass-rusher. 3. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Kelly had his best NFL season in 2010 and he pairs very nicely with Seymour. He is tough when he is motivated. 16. Shaun Smith, Kansas City: The Chiefs need to bring him back. He can make an impact. 7. Luis Castillo, San Diego: Castillo is a solid player, but I’d like to see more impact plays. 15. Ron Edwards, Kansas City: He’s steady. The Chiefs want more help at tackle, but Edwards is OK. 5. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: I really like this player. The second-year player is a potential star. 14. Trevor Scott, Oakland: Scott has a chance to be very good. He has natural pass-rushing ability. 17. Marcus Thomas, Denver: Denver wants this free agent back. 8. Matt Shaughnessy, Oakland: He’s another fine young player for Oakland. He has made the most of his opportunities. No one else is proven at all. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7972254	Dorsey and Jackson shouldn't be listed that high....esp Jackson.....he shouldn't even be in the top 30 DL. Dorsey was good last season, not great, and def not worth the #2 ranking. Let's hope he earns that and proves people wrong.
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