Chiefs Suck for Luck comes down to Chiefs vs Dolphins - Page 3

**MahiMike** · 10-04-2011, 01:24 PM

By now, everyone has heard of the "Suck for Luck" campaign. Lousy teams surely to miss the playoffs may be inclined to tank the season in order to grab next year's #1 pick. That's where the consensus pick is Stanford's Andrew Luck. The QB so good that Mel Kiper's hair gets mussed up from the excitement of watching him.

If you're not interested in this concept of tanking a season for the betterment of your team, you can go ahead and skip this article. For those of us fans that are fed up with our team's decades of struggles, keep reading.

Right now, none of these teams seem to have embraced this concept willfully. They currently all seem to be - get this - trying to win...lol. I know, I know. Silly isn't it? Of course, this exercise is almost futile but fun nonetheless. Besides, what do fans of these teams have to look forward to anyway? I'm estimating based on a plus/minus of 2 games for each team. There's always the upset or injury that no one can account for.

I took the liberty of mapping out the schedule of each team in the Suck for Luck campaign. I only included teams that for sure could use a new QB. I didn't include lousy teams that just signed their QB recently (Panthers, Jags, Vikings, etc.). Using this information, I came up with 5 main teams; Chiefs, Colts, Dolphins, Broncos and Seahawks. The 1st 4 play against each other and have pivotal matches that will determine their Champion suckage position.

The wildcard team is the Seahawks. Playing in the NFC, they don't face any of the other teams. Still, playing in their woeful division is good for at least a couple games. I can't see how they won't win at least 4 games. They did make the playoffs last year and their schedule is similar to last year's.

Based on this analysis, I've concluded that there could be a 4 way tie for the Championship. I could see the Chiefs, Colts, Dolphins and Broncos each winning 3 games. That would make for a VERY interesting final week. Who will have more turnovers January 1st? Chiefs or Broncos? Will the Colts lay down to division rival Jags? The Jets have been losing, so their January 1st matchup with the Dolphins is already a foregone conclusion.

Assuming the Broncos have no chance vs the Bears or Patriots, their Championship game could actually come a couple weeks early vs the Vikings. Do they pre-tank? Or wait till the last game vs the Chiefs? Something else interesting about New Year's Day? The Chiefs/Broncos game is at 4:00 p.m. EST. By then, the fate of all the other teams in the Suckage Championship will be determined. Interesting indeed.

So, in summary, based on tiebreaker scenarios, the Dolphins actually have the best shot. The Chiefs/Dolphins game is the "Ultimate Suck" game. Since it's in KC, I'll give the Chiefs the unfortunate win here. Since the Chiefs/Broncos figure to split, they tie. Next tie breaker is common opponent which happens to be - the Dolphins.

Personally, as a Chiefs fan of over 40 years, I'd love to see the Dolphins sign Larry Czonka's son before the big game. Otherwise, I'll be doubly ticked if I hear these words next April; "With the 1st pick in the 2012 draft, King Carl Peterson selects...Andrew Luck!".

Chiefs schedule (Estimated 3 wins)

L - Sep 11 Bills
L - Sep 18 @Lions
L - Sep 25 @Chargers
W - Oct 2 Vikes
L? -Oct 9 @Colts (KEY GAME!)
L? -Oct 23 @Raiders
L? -Oct 31 Chargers
W? -Nov 6 Dolphins ("Ultimate Suck" game!)
W? -Nov 13 Broncos (KEY GAME!)
L? -Nov 21 @Patriots
L? -Nov 27 Steelers
L? -Dec 4 @Bears
L? -Dec 11 @Jets
L? -Dec 18 Packers
L? -Dec 24 Raiders
L? -Jan 1 @Broncos (Championship KEY GAME!)

Colts schedule (Estimated 3 wins)

L - Texans
L - Browns
L - Steelers
L - Bucs
W - Chiefs (KEY GAME)
W - Bengals
L - Saints
L - Titans
L - Falcons
W - Jags
L - Panthers
L - Patriots
L - Ravens
L - Titans
L - Texans
L - Jags (Championship KEY GAME!)

Dolphins schedule (Estimated 3 wins)

L - Patriots
L - Texans
L - Browns
L - Chargers
L? - Jets
W? - Broncos (KEY GAME)
W? - Giants
L? - Chiefs ("Ultimate Suck" game!)
L? - Redskins
W? - Bills
L? - Cowbows
L? - Raiders
L? - Eagles
L? - Bills
L? - Patriots
L? - Jets (Championship KEY GAME!)

Broncos schedule (Estimated 3 wins)

L - Raiders
W - Bengals
L - Titans
L - Packers
L? - Chargers
L? - Dolphins (KEY GAME)
L? - Lions
L? - Raiders
L? - Chiefs (KEY GAME)
L? - Jets
L? - Chargers
W? - Vikings
L? - Bears
L? - Patriots
L? - Bills
W? - Chiefs (Championship KEY GAME!)

Seahawks schedule (Estimated 4 wins)

L - 49ers
L - Steelers
W - cardinals
L - Falcons
L? - Giants
W? - Browns
W? - Bengals
L? - Cowboys
L? - Ravens
W? - Rams
L? - Redskins
L? - Eagles
L? - Rams
L? - Bears
L? - 49ers

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-04-2011, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Even as unrealistic as a #1 pick and Luck sounds, Barkley/Jones are only just slightly less unrealistic because of who runs the FO. It will all be a disappointment come draft day! We'll be picking like 6th, Barkley/Jones will still be on the board, and we'll pick a WR/OT to further protect Cassel.

I don't see Pioli picking an OT with the 6 overall.....I'm not saying you are wrong about the disappointment at all though...I agree with you about that.

Nightfyre · 10-04-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

So, when we win...can the S4L go bye bye for good?

I honestly don't think our defense is bad enough to win S4L. But I want Luck, preferably without trading two entire drafts to move up 4 spots in the draft. I'm in a quandry. It's also extremely difficult for me not to root for this team when I watch them play, with the exception of Cassel. I think this team is an instant contender with Luck, so I have to hope for it.

Even if you don't think Luck is the bees knees (which I do, and wouldn't trade down) you have to admit getting the number one pick and trading down to take an RGIII or a Weeden while stealing someones entire draft this year and next year seems awfully appealing.

Chiefshrink · 10-04-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

I think the Chiefs have a 0% chance of trading for it. Pioli is a trade down guy who thinks he's going to score another Brady.

If we get the No.1 pick which I doubt we will because the Colts will end up winning this losing contest IMO based on remaining schedules. But bottom line question is, does Pioli have the balls to trade the pick away for the so-called farm which he could probably get assuming those teams interested have enough and face the wrath of the fan base staying with Cassel in hopes that Matt turns it around?

I don't think Pioli is 'that stupid' and even IF Pioli were tempted Clark would step in and prevent Pioli's temptation for a happy fan base that would fill Arrowhead once again and that's what's all about for Clark anyhow besides a SB is selling tickets.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-04-2011, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Even if you don't think Luck is the bees knees (which I do, and wouldn't trade down) you have to admit getting the number one pick and trading down to take an RGIII or a Weeden while stealing someones entire draft this year and next year seems awfully appealing.

Oh trust me , I am a big fan of trading down....I even wouldn't have minded trading down last year, even though I love Urc Burry..

I want Andrew Luck, I just don't think its going to happen and therefore I can't bring myself to root against my own team..especially this early in the season when we still have the Chargers & Raiders at home and the Broncos suck pretty badly....

I mean, its not like limping into the playoffs and getting beaten in round one again is my dream , but I think winning games and being a part of a winning team is better than getting a high draft pick...Just take a look at some of the franchises who had #1 draft picks and how LONG it took them to drag themselves out of the gutter...(Of course there are exceptions but by and large having a number one pick means YEARS more of losing).

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

If we get the No.1 pick which I doubt we will because the Colts will end up winning this losing contest IMO based on remaining schedules. But bottom line question is, does Pioli have the balls to trade the pick away for the so-called farm which he could probably get assuming those teams interested have enough and face the wrath of the fan base staying with Cassel in hopes that Matt turns it around?

I don't think Pioli is 'that stupid' and even IF Pioli were tempted Clark would step in and prevent Pioli's temptation for a happy fan base that would fill Arrowhead once again and that's what's all about for Clark anyhow besides a SB is selling tickets.

I wouldn't be overly upset if Pioli did trade it for the farm, but only to a team in the top 3 and he chose Barkley/Jones.

If he traded it for the farm intending to keep Cassel he'd better double up all of his deadbolts.

**The Franchise** · 10-04-2011, 03:04 PM

Don't count out the Dolphins. Henne might be out for the season.

Nightfyre · 10-04-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Oh trust me , I am a big fan of trading down....I even wouldn't have minded trading down last year, even though I love Urc Burry..

I want Andrew Luck, I just don't think its going to happen and therefore I can't bring myself to root against my own team..especially this early in the season when we still have the Chargers & Raiders at home and the Broncos suck pretty badly....

I mean, its not like limping into the playoffs and getting beaten in round one again is my dream , but I think winning games and being a part of a winning team is better than getting a high draft pick...Just take a look at some of the franchises who had #1 draft picks and how LONG it took them to drag themselves out of the gutter...(Of course there are exceptions but by and large having a number one pick means YEARS more of losing).

This team has as much talent as the Lions, probably more. With the exception of the QB position. I'm just saying, if you put Matt Stafford on this team, we are a serious contender. And Luck is more of a superior prospect than Stafford was.

Nightfyre · 10-04-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

I wouldn't be overly upset if Pioli did trade it for the farm, but only to a team in the top 3 and he chose Barkley/Jones.

If he traded it for the farm intending to keep Cassel he'd better double up all of his deadbolts.

Barkley and Jones are my fourth and fifth preferred QBs at this point, so I would mind.

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Barkley and Jones are my fourth and fifth preferred QBs at this point, so I would mind.

Well, that's a personal opinion from someone who matters not in the college/pro football world.

Luck
Barkley
Jones

Are the consensus top 3 QB's. The only thing that's not agreed upon is who is #2.

I don't play the hindsight game. I don't pretend to watch every single snap of all the QBs on the big boards.

**The Franchise** · 10-04-2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Well, that's a personal opinion from someone who matters not in the college/pro football world.

Luck
Barkley
Jones

Are the consensus top 3 QB's. The only thing that's not agreed upon is who is #2.

I don't play the hindsight game. I don't pretend to watch every single QB on the big boards.

I know.....how dare he have an opinion......right?

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-04-2011, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

This team has as much talent as the Lions, probably more. With the exception of the QB position. I'm just saying, if you put Matt Stafford on this team, we are a serious contender. And Luck is more of a superior prospect than Stafford was.

I haven't heard anyone say they wouldn't like Luck on the team or argue that he isn't a good prospect....

But if you are talking about 'this team' ( missing charles,berry, moeaki, siler, etc...) than I would disagree about being a serious contender....We wouldn't even be a contender let alone a serious contender still with the schedule we have and the injuries we have sustained.

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I know.....how dare he have an opinion......right?

Just like I have an opinion that the Vikings aren't going to pass on Luck because they reached for a QB last year... right?

Go dive on a rusty blade.

**The Franchise** · 10-04-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Just like I have an opinion that the Vikings aren't going to pass on Luck because they reached for a QB last year... right?

Go dive on a rusty blade.

Show me where I claimed that your opinion wasn't the same one in the Vikings organization.

You can't....can you?

I'll dive on that rusty blade just as soon as I pull it out of your mom's ass.

jd1020 · 10-04-2011, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Show me where I claimed that your opinion wasn't the same one in the Vikings organization.

You can't....can you?

I'll dive on that rusty blade just as soon as I pull it out of your mom's ass.

Good one. Insult a third person over the internet. I'm so hurt.

**The Franchise** · 10-04-2011, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Good one. Insult a third person over the internet. I'm so hurt.

I know you are. That's why I said it.

Next I'm going to give you neg rep because I know it makes you weep.

10-04-2011, 01:24 PM
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