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Old 10-15-2011, 08:13 AM  
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Cassel, a statistical breakdown
http://www.homeofthechiefs.com/2011/...view/#more-505

I don't usually bring things from the other forum I'm registered with, but I thought this was as comprehensive an analysis of Cassel against bad teams vs. good teams as I've seen.

The guy isn't much of a writer, so he can make a long read even longer, but I think it's worth it.
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:34 AM   #31
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Thanks for the link.

The glaring stat is completion percentage under pressure. Cassel is so bad there. That really is the explanation for the extreme variance in his performance. He shits his pants under pressure. With no pressure, he's not a bad QB at all. In other words, despite decent overall statistics, he'll always be useless in the playoffs.
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:36 AM   #32
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Every QB does benefit from yac.

The question then becomes, how much of yac is the result of the QB getting the ball to the receiver accurately and giving him the opportunity to get those extra yards, and how much is the receivers making plays on their own?

Someone would have to really put in a lot of work to break that down.
Sometimes it's extra effort on the part of the WR and sometimes it's because the QB put the ball in stride or led the WR to an open spot in the field. That's why it would be unfair to both WR and QB to attempt to credit those stats to one guy or the other. But it is fair to raise the point that YAC credited to a QB who is lobbing the ball 7 yards in the air routinely dispropportionately skews his stats in his favor.
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I don't know where this guy is getting his passing under pressure statistics, but this year, interestingly enough, Cassel is leading the league in completion percentage under pressure. According to PFF, anyway.

Last year he was 19th, the year before he was 24th.
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:40 AM   #34
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So Cassel still sucks right?
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Old 10-15-2011, 10:43 AM   #35
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I don't know where this guy is getting his passing under pressure statistics, but this year, interestingly enough, Cassel is leading the league in completion percentage under pressure. According to PFF, anyway.

Last year he was 19th, the year before he was 24th.
JFC. That's why statistical measure of QB effectiveness suck. All the advanced stats suck because they are subjective. At the end of the day, yards per attempt is still the gold standard.
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I don't know where this guy is getting his passing under pressure statistics, but this year, interestingly enough, Cassel is leading the league in completion percentage under pressure. According to PFF, anyway.

Last year he was 19th, the year before he was 24th.
When you consistently dump off teh ball to a HB or TE running a 3 yard route it's pretty easy.
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JFC. That's why statistical measure of QB effectiveness suck. All the advanced stats suck because they are subjective. At the end of the day, yards per attempt is still the gold standard.
Well, we're dealing with a very small sample size in this case.

Cassel has only 26 attempts under pressure this year.

The guys ranked near him in completion percentage have more:

Brees - 52
Manning - 50
Kolb - 57
Stafford - 42
Henne - 43

Cassel has the 2nd fewest attempts under pressure in the league
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Well, we're dealing with a very small sample size in this case.

Cassel has only 26 attempts under pressure this year.
He has 3 years of play to look over...
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When you consistently dump off teh ball to a HB or TE running a 3 yard route it's pretty easy.
There is probably some truth to this.

But, Cassel's YPA under pressure is similar to Brees'.

However, I would argue the small sample size is skewing that statistic right now.

Cassel's Minnesota and Indy games are definitely weighing heavily right now.

YPA under pressure by week:

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Cassel has the 2nd fewest attempts under pressure in the league
a.) Our OL is not nearly as bad as people claim

b.) Hard to get pressure on bubble screens, swing passes and slants.
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Well, we're dealing with a very small sample size in this case.

Cassel has only 26 attempts under pressure this year.

The guys ranked near him in completion percentage have more:

Brees - 52
Manning - 50
Kolb - 57
Stafford - 42
Henne - 43

Cassel has the 2nd fewest attempts under pressure in the league
Just curious, what is Rodgers' completion percentage under pressure, and how is his O-Line rated?
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Well, we're dealing with a very small sample size in this case.

Cassel has only 26 attempts under pressure this year.

The guys ranked near him in completion percentage have more:

Brees - 52
Manning - 50
Kolb - 57
Stafford - 42
Henne - 43

Cassel has the 2nd fewest attempts under pressure in the league
I'm still guessing it's a different methodology than the other site. Who knows...
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Just curious, what is Rodgers' completion percentage under pressure, and how is his O-Line rated?
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I checked percentage of passing yards by YAC for three teams in 2010:

KC 49%
IND 40%
GB 47%

I don't have any problem with a QB benefiting from YAC. Cassel's problems are accuracy, inability to make reads, inability to use his legs to allow him to make plays down field.

He's fine if there is no pressure and his first read is open. Any other situation he is inadequate.
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