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Old 01-12-2012, 08:36 AM  
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These videos really get me fired up, if you don't respect what the videos encompass, please just leave it be. I'm not trying to start something that will get these things moved to the DC, so if you don't agree with them or think the videos are dumb I can respect that, but respect me and not post something nasty please.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:31 AM   #31
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:31 AM   #32
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Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like my hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.
There's a variety of religious formalities going at a variety of different churches, are there not?
Are you saying I'd have to accept all the religious formalities of Methodists, Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans in order to love Christ? Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and that doesn't make any sense.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:31 AM   #33
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Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.
Depends on how literal you take it....I have a big problem with organized religion and I believe that's what he's speaking about and to. I don't think the Bible was meant to spawn 15 different religions and 25 different churches to teach his lessons the way that particular church/religion interprets them, it's meant to be a guide for life. Just my opinion though.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:32 AM   #34
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Only watched the first one thus far, but am taken aback by apparent contradictions.

Rails against religion for judging people, then talks about what an empty person he was when he beat his meat and macked on chicks. It's not that big of a leap to go from 'I was a bad person when I did x' to 'you are a bad person if you are still doing x too.'Plus this whole thing about evangelicals who, within moments of engaging you start talking about how they were slaves to pounding their puds until they found Jesus is Waaaaay to Kirk Cameron gay crush on Jesus for me.

Then rails against religion for not doing enough charitable things, then concludes with the premise that it's not about anything you do here on earth, it's all about what Jesus did for you millenia ago.
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They're not assumptions, they are the WORDS HE SAID.


EH? Listen I am not trying to say I know everything, or I know what he meant with everything he said, but I do think you are being so analytical that it has distorted your perception (just my opinion).
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:32 AM   #35
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I vote to Move this To D.C Please
Yeah, it has to go there. It's only about 10 minutes until it just devolves into the same old argument as always, anyway.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:34 AM   #36
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Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like me hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.
God is Love that is true. I am not quite grasping what you are relating here though?
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respect me and not post something nasty please.
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Depends on how literal you take it....I have a big problem with organized religion and I believe that's what he's speaking about and to. I don't think the Bible was meant to spawn 15 different religions and 25 different churches to teach his lessons the way that particular church/religion interprets them, it's meant to be a guide for life. Just my opinion though.
I agree 100%, good post.
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It has remained civil thus far, I actually enjoy talking religion with others.
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It has remained civil thus far, I actually enjoy talking religion with others.
Except for Omega of course. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the topic I'm just telling you the way things usually work and asking them not to work that way often means the results will be even worse. If I'm wrong then I'll be proud of CP.

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There's a variety of religious formalities going at a variety of different churches, are there not?
Are you saying I'd have to accept all the religious formalities of Methodists, Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans in order to love Christ? Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and that doesn't make any sense.
If all those formalities are truly his teachings then yes. I'm not debating on what is the true religion here. I'm simply stating what he says is illogical. You cannot love Christ without religion because he initially taught a form of it. He should have worded what he said more appropriately.
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EH? Listen I am not trying to say I know everything, or I know what he meant with everything he said, but I do think you are being so analytical that it has distorted your perception (just my opinion).
I'll grant that there is a degree of inference from the first bolded statement. But it's straightforward and reasonable, and further it is informed by heaps and heaps of other evangelicals who I heave personally heard start from his premise and make my inference explicit.

Kirk Cameron won't even do kissing scenes for movies with a women who isn't his wife because it interferes with his relationship with Jesus. How hard is it to recognize that such a firmly held belief that one's actions can sully a relationship between the individual and the divine can easily expand to the judgement of others that he appears to decry? What do you think the guys response would be if you said "hey, dude, I beat my meat with abandon and hook up with hotties regularly, so are me and Jesus good?" And who do you think made that single mom a single mom? Most likely someone like his former 'empty' self.

ETA: Maybe its just to me, but there's no such thing as 'too analytical' when being called/inspired to fundamentally change my lifestyle.
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They're not assumptions, they are the WORDS HE SAID.
I re-watched it, his statement about building a massive church yet not feeding the poor, is based on the Bible and that in olden times it was the church who was supposed to help feed the poor.
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