Chiefs Why not Kellen Moore ? - Page 3

OzarksChiefsFan · 01-17-2012, 10:19 AM

There may be the second coming of Drew Brees in this years draft. Kellen Moore is a coaches son who has incredible accuracy and pocket awareness. Here's a link.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...b-kellen-moore

Akron's#1ChiefsFan · 01-17-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Brennan was undersized with a weak arm?

Actually, yes. Those were the exact knocks that were made about his game.

DJ's left nut · 01-17-2012, 10:46 AM

Put Moore in a situation like New Orleans where he can play his home games indoors and his road divisional games in warm-weather, easy climates and maybe he can do a passable job.

But his arm simply isn't strong enough to drive the football. If he's going to be throwing in a stiff wind or in cold conditions where the ball gets heavy; hell if he has to throw in the rain - you're going to have to eliminate half the playbook because he can't power the football through the conditions.

Additionally, a quarterback like Moore (and even Brees to a lesser extent) has to rely on perfect timing to get the ball to his WRs because he doesn't have the arm strength to fire it in there. As such, the windows get smaller before DBs are able to break on the ball and knock them away; his fastball simply isn't quick enough to blow by a defensive back. For a rhythm offense to work correctly, you have to pass the ball a TON. If you don't, you're going to get a lot of DBs driving on out routes, even short ones, and housing them against you.

So for Moore to be successful here, we'd have to build a pass-first, timing offense around a physically limited quarterback...and pray it never rains, snows or is otherwise windy.

There aren't a lot of guys out there that are easier to root for than Moore, but the fact is that he's simply not physically strong enough to be a viable option for a 'full-climate' team like Kansas City. Especially not when our defense is built around a 2-gap, fairly passive defensive scheme. We'd want a much more aggressive defense if we were going to build an offense for Moore to thrive in. Crennel's not going to abandon the scheme he's adhered to for decades for Kellen Moore.

Sorry - but he's not a good fit here, at all. I'd rather have Cousins or Osweiler late. Hell, if we're going w/ undersized QBs, I'd rather have Keenum or Russell Wilson. It's not because Moore's short, it's because he has a popgun arm.

ToxSocks · 01-17-2012, 10:46 AM

And FTR, I would love to have him, just not before the 3rd round. I think he's a potential gamer, and at worse, a decent Back up.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-17-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Also true.

Everyone wants to act like Brees was some great QB coming out of college. He wasn't. He wasn't very good at all actually. He didn't start playing worth a shit till the Chargers took Rivers in the 1st. Then he had an 'ok' season.

Drew Brees' early career numbers look very similar to a chiefs qb.

jd1020 · 01-17-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So for Moore to be successful here, we'd have to build a pass-first, timing offense around a physically limited quarterback...and pray it never rains, snows or is otherwise windy.

And we'd have to become a pass first team because?????

Akron's#1ChiefsFan · 01-17-2012, 10:54 AM

Why not Kellen Moore? Is this for real?

Look, the Chiefs already have one late round QB who will be lucky to ever get a shot at playing in the NFL. I'd love it if Stanzi turns out to be a diamond in the rough, but from what I've seen of him... Oh that's right. No one has seen ANYTHING from him. Palko played in front of him, and he's still on the roster.

That's why not Kellen Moore.

ToxSocks · 01-17-2012, 10:55 AM

What I like about Moore:

Accurate Arm. I think he could be a bit more accurate, but I think that'll occur with time.

Mobile in the pocket

Not afraid of the pass rush, which is HUGE. For me, it's the biggest positive a Qb can have. The ability to stand in the pocket.

He's a winner. The guy just wins. No matter how you wanna slice it, he plays like a gamer. IMO, he has the "IT" factor.

If only he were 6" taller and 20 pound heavier......Dude would be a 1st rounder.

htismaqe · 01-17-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Drew Brees' early career numbers look very similar to a chiefs qb.

Ahem...

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Brees averaged something like 5.3 yards per attempt his first 2 seasons in the NFL. He made Matt Cassel look like a long bomber.

jd1020 · 01-17-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Akron's#1ChiefsFan

Why not Kellen Moore? Is this for real?

Look, the Chiefs already have one late round QB who will be lucky to ever get a shot at playing in the NFL. I'd love it if Stanzi turns out to be a diamond in the rough, but from what I've seen of him... Oh that's right. No one has seen ANYTHING from him. Palko played in front of him, and he's still on the roster.

That's why not Kellen Moore.

Palko played in front of him because of one man, and one man alone... Haley. Palko is a RFA and will be lucky to ever play in the NFL again.

htismaqe · 01-17-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Sorry - but he's not a good fit here, at all. I'd rather have Cousins or Osweiler late. Hell, if we're going w/ undersized QBs, I'd rather have Keenum or Russell Wilson. It's not because Moore's short, it's because he has a popgun arm.

Stanzi is at the very least equal to Cousins. He's a waste of a draft pick, at least for us.

DJ's left nut · 01-17-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

And we'd have to become a pass first team because?????

Because you can't run a rhythm offense passing the ball 22 times/gm. How are WRs and QBs going to get into and stay in-synch that way?

The margin for error w/ a weak-armed QB is so slight that everything has to timed to within a second here or there. If you're only passing to set up the run, that timing is never going to be as good as it needs to be.

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-17-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Ahem...

smaqe is on board! Who else??

ToxSocks · 01-17-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Palko played in front of him because of one man, and one man alone... Haley. Palko is a RFA and will be lucky to ever play in the NFL again.

Palko is done. If Palko lands on another team, he can thank Jesus and better go to Church every Sunday.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-17-2012, 10:58 AM

Cmon everybody, get on the Cassell is an early version of Drew Brees bandwagon!!

ToxSocks · 01-17-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because you can't run a rhythm offense passing the ball 22 times/gm. How are WRs and QBs going to get into and stay in-synch that way?

The margin for error w/ a weak-armed QB is so slight that everything has to timed to within a second here or there. If you're only passing to set up the run, that timing is never going to be as good as it needs to be.

You can't use a guy like Moore as a starter in a run-first offense.

In all fairness, if we're only passing the ball 22 times a game, we probably aren't winning anyway. The offense, at some point, will have to open up.

isn't that the reason we are looking for a Franchise QB?

Not a good argument IMO.

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01-17-2012, 10:46 AM	#32
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $1539099	Put Moore in a situation like New Orleans where he can play his home games indoors and his road divisional games in warm-weather, easy climates and maybe he can do a passable job. But his arm simply isn't strong enough to drive the football. If he's going to be throwing in a stiff wind or in cold conditions where the ball gets heavy; hell if he has to throw in the rain - you're going to have to eliminate half the playbook because he can't power the football through the conditions. Additionally, a quarterback like Moore (and even Brees to a lesser extent) has to rely on perfect timing to get the ball to his WRs because he doesn't have the arm strength to fire it in there. As such, the windows get smaller before DBs are able to break on the ball and knock them away; his fastball simply isn't quick enough to blow by a defensive back. For a rhythm offense to work correctly, you have to pass the ball a TON. If you don't, you're going to get a lot of DBs driving on out routes, even short ones, and housing them against you. So for Moore to be successful here, we'd have to build a pass-first, timing offense around a physically limited quarterback...and pray it never rains, snows or is otherwise windy. There aren't a lot of guys out there that are easier to root for than Moore, but the fact is that he's simply not physically strong enough to be a viable option for a 'full-climate' team like Kansas City. Especially not when our defense is built around a 2-gap, fairly passive defensive scheme. We'd want a much more aggressive defense if we were going to build an offense for Moore to thrive in. Crennel's not going to abandon the scheme he's adhered to for decades for Kellen Moore. Sorry - but he's not a good fit here, at all. I'd rather have Cousins or Osweiler late. Hell, if we're going w/ undersized QBs, I'd rather have Keenum or Russell Wilson. It's not because Moore's short, it's because he has a popgun arm. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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01-17-2012, 10:46 AM	#33
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $3113063	And FTR, I would love to have him, just not before the 3rd round. I think he's a potential gamer, and at worse, a decent Back up. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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01-17-2012, 10:54 AM	#36
Akron's#1ChiefsFan Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	Why not Kellen Moore? Is this for real? Look, the Chiefs already have one late round QB who will be lucky to ever get a shot at playing in the NFL. I'd love it if Stanzi turns out to be a diamond in the rough, but from what I've seen of him... Oh that's right. No one has seen ANYTHING from him. Palko played in front of him, and he's still on the roster. That's why not Kellen Moore.
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01-17-2012, 10:55 AM	#37
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $3113063	What I like about Moore: Accurate Arm. I think he could be a bit more accurate, but I think that'll occur with time. Mobile in the pocket Not afraid of the pass rush, which is HUGE. For me, it's the biggest positive a Qb can have. The ability to stand in the pocket. He's a winner. The guy just wins. No matter how you wanna slice it, he plays like a gamer. IMO, he has the "IT" factor. If only he were 6" taller and 20 pound heavier......Dude would be a 1st rounder. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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01-17-2012, 10:58 AM	#44
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