Chiefs Perfect Fit for Manning - Page 3

ClearmontChief · 03-01-2012, 11:53 AM

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After spending the first 14 years of his NFL career in Indianapolis, could Peyton Manning move to Kansas City?

Sometimes we don't write what we think because there's not much to substantiate it. Cool. Now that this issue has been resolved, it's time to discuss a sensible suitor for arguably the greatest quarterback of our generation.

Peyton's Place?

Why? Because, due to a slip of the tongue, the Kansas City Chiefs are getting some run in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes -- a potential pairing that should have been mentioned weeks ago. Kansas City, at least in my mind, has always been the best destination for Manning. There just haven't been many facts to go on. Yet, there is circumstantial evidence.

Before listing the reasons the multi-time MVP should be playing at Arrowhead this fall, perhaps it's important to rank what constitutes a good fit between any megastar and a new address:

1. Availability: Obviously, the player has to be attainable. (And Manning should be, barring an Irsay surprise of Mayflower truck proportions.)

2. Organizational leeway: Funds, or at least the wherewithal to generate discretionary funds.

3. Ancillary parts to attract the player: In this case, weapons outside, a good running back, possibly a defense, mostly ... some chance in hell of winning.

4. A great place to play: Call this "The Anti-Veterans Stadium Principle."

5. Familiarity: Be it the player's familiarity with the front office (and vice versa) or the area.

For Manning and the Chiefs, this list reads: 1) check, 2) check, 3) check, 4) check, and 5) check.

Starting in inverse order, the Chiefs are certainly familiar with Manning, as Crennel and Pioli faced him numerous times while with the New England Patriots. Arrowhead Stadium is one of the loudest locales in pro football, and the passion of the fans in Kansas City make it a great place to play, particularly for a veteran player.

Meanwhile the Chiefs have an emerging young talent in Jon Baldwin, a decent receiver in Steve Breaston, and -- providing he's franchised (it's looking that way) -- the productive Dwayne Bowe. Throw in Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki returning from injury, and an improving defense ... Well, as you can see, K.C. clearly has the ancillary parts.

On to "organizational leeway," which can mean several things, but usually it applies to available dough and the willingness to spend it. The Chiefs finished over $20 million under the cap in 2011, and per the new CBA rules, can roll it over to his year to add to their already abundant cap space. Done and done. They have the means, whereas the New York Jets -- even after restructuring D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract -- do not. That leads us to other organizational-leeway issues for alleged Manning suitors:

Arizona Cardinals: What to do with Kevin Kolb and his sizeable contract? Junk the experiment after one year and a foot injury? Maybe. ... But doubtful. I like the Chiefs better.

Miami Dolphins: Will Owner Stephen Ross insist on Manning over Matt Flynn, despite Miami's lack of stability at the position for over a decade, and the fact the Colts star might only play two more years? And despite the fact that Joe Philbin already knows Flynn (who's a ripe 26 years old) backwards and forwards? Still like the Chiefs better.

Washington Redskins: They would surely sign Reggie Wayne to help land Manning (they sorely need WR help anyway). And Mike Shanahan is not on a 20-year contract. However, much like Miami, quarterback is an interminable issue for this franchise. Signing Manning would be a band-aid. Still like the Chiefs better.

Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks aren't into band-aids at this point. "I just know if you panic at the position, it can set the organization back. So we're not going to do that," GM John Schneider said last week. There you go.

And then there are the Indianapolis Colts, who obviously control issue No. 1 (player availability) for matching a megastar to a team.

While Owner Jim Irsay has far from ruled out Manning's return to the organization, tweet salvos and the mano-a-mano nature of "He's not healthy" ... "Yes I am" has played out enough over the last several weeks to merit speculation of the quarterback's departure. The big elephant in the room is the $28 million roster bonus due on March 8, and how much Manning would be willing to restructure his deal, thus doing Indy a solid. To that end, Irsay had this to say to SI.com's Don Banks recently:

"That's the last he'd want to do for this team, put us in that kind of salary cap situation," Irsay said. "He wants to come back and he wants to win. I should say I assume he wants to come back. With Peyton, sometimes you never know ... I think he has some real comfort in the idea of finishing his career here, but I think he's conflicted perhaps given the circumstances. We'll find out soon."

Yes, Manning is surely conflicted, perhaps most by something Irsay mentioned in that very quote. He wants to win.

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That's going to be tough, considering several of the Colts' key players are free agents. You know the list: Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis, Pierre Garcon and so on. Secondly, the new head coach is a rookie head coach. And while most Colts fans welcome the change from Jim Caldwell, Chuck Pagano hasn't proven anything yet. Not to mention, Peyton will likely have to compete for his own job. Maybe not this year, but how long will new management sit a guy like Andrew Luck if Manning delivers a Wild Card loss, like the last time he played? Fair? No. Life in the NFL? Yes.

So of course Manning is conflicted. Why not go to a team that already knows the potential of its own quarterback, i.e. knows Manning is a clear upgrade (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that -- barring every important guy going on IR -- has the parts to compete in its conference now (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that, despite how little this might mean to Manning at this stage of his career, can afford to pay him what he deserves (Chiefs)?

Peyton's likely to don new colors in 2012. And it certainly will be awkward to see the Colts icon in a foreign uniform. But at least Manning could avoid having to pay a teammate on his new club for the rights to No. 18.

After all, nobody on the Chiefs wears that number.

RustShack · 03-01-2012, 01:04 PM

We should have drafted Tebow when we had the chance. Obviously you need a QB who wins games, who cares about having a good passer at the position.

Whoever wins the NC next year, we need to draft that QB no matter what!

rico · 03-01-2012, 01:06 PM

So, IF we sign Manning, what does our QB depth look like? 1st: Manning, 2nd: Stanzi, 3rd: ? I am assuming we will cut Cassel if this happens, correct?

Sofa King · 03-01-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Then we should just suck for next years best QB, or hope for the best that Stanzi get's a shot and still take a QB with our top pick. I don't care I just want too see our own draft pick QB take over sooner than later & would hope he becomes the real deal & continue to look deep into drafts for QBs. Lord Tebow knows we havn't put stock in QB from the draft and our post season record for the past 40 years reflects that fact.

Yeah, because our front office is going to want to lose on purpose.

OH! but if that doesn't work, we can just rely on our shitty 5th round QB that was so shitty he couldn't even get on the field in front of Tyler Palko! Awesome!

ClearmontChief · 03-01-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoswaff

So, IF we sign Manning, what does our QB depth look like? 1st: Manning, 2nd: Stanzi, 3rd: ? I am assuming we will cut Cassel if this happens, correct?

Probably not. They've paid him most of his money. He's making only a bit more than backup money now...I think.

1. Manning, 2. Cassel, 3. Stanzi.

Plus, we've got all of our draft picks...maybe more with trade down still possibilities still strong.

I like the idea of Manning for 2-3 years, a lot. We've got most of the remaining pieces to go deep into the playoffs. Manning, and a solid draft with couple key FAs and we're in great shape. And, haven't mortgaged the draft or our future.

Rasputin · 03-01-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoswaff

So, IF we sign Manning, what does our QB depth look like? 1st: Manning, 2nd: Stanzi, 3rd: ? I am assuming we will cut Cassel if this happens, correct?

Pioli wont cut Cashell. He will be #2 as in

#2 on the roster & #3Stanzi won't get looked at for another season nor will we be drafting a top tier QB, however they may still draft a QB with a late round pick or call up Uncle Rico for duty, he never got his chance & can still probly throw a football over mountain tops.

Sofa King · 03-01-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ClearmontChief

Probably not. They've paid him most of his money. He's making only a bit more than backup money now...I think.

1. Manning, 2. Cassel, 3. Stanzi.

Plus, we've got all of our draft picks...maybe more with trade down still possibilities still strong.

I like the idea of Manning for 2-3 years, a lot. We've got most of the remaining pieces to go deep into the playoffs. Manning, and a solid draft with couple key FAs and we're in great shape. And, haven't mortgaged the draft or our future.

They would be almost obligated to release Cassel to avoid all the (potential) chatter during the season and to show Manning and the public that this is Manning's team.

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2012, 01:14 PM

No way they release Cassel.....especially with Manning's neck. They'll keep Cassel around as a viable backup that knows the offense that could step in if Manning goes down.

rico · 03-01-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ClearmontChief

Probably not. They've paid him most of his money. He's making only a bit more than backup money now...I think.

1. Manning, 2. Cassel, 3. Stanzi.

Plus, we've got all of our draft picks...maybe more with trade down still possibilities still strong.

I like the idea of Manning for 2-3 years, a lot. We've got most of the remaining pieces to go deep into the playoffs. Manning, and a solid draft with couple key FAs and we're in great shape. And, haven't mortgaged the draft or our future.

Thanks for the response.

If this is the case, I can't wait to see the pouty expression on Cassel's face when he is sitting on the bench. Vindictive? Yeah.... but vindictivity is inevitable with that dude.

ToxSocks · 03-01-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

They would be almost obligated to release Cassel to avoid all the (potential) chatter during the season and to show Manning and the public that this is Manning's team.

I dont think so.

It'd be pretty damn clear that it would be Manning's team. You don't bring Manning in to 'compete' with Cassel.

What I do worry about however, is that Pioli would think that he could continue to groom Cassel under the guidance of Manning, so that Cassel can continue his epic fail once Manning retires.

jd1020 · 03-01-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

They would be almost obligated to release Cassel to avoid all the (potential) chatter during the season and to show Manning and the public that this is Manning's team.

Ummmm. If Manning came to KC I don't think the public would need confirmation by Cassel's release that it would be Manning's team.

rico · 03-01-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Pioli wont cut Cashell. He will be #2 as in

#2 on the roster & #3Stanzi won't get looked at for another season nor will we be drafting a top tier QB, however they may still draft a QB with a late round pick or call up Uncle Rico for duty, he never got his chance & can still probly throw a football over mountain tops.

Oh man... if coach would have put Uncle Rico in 4th quarter.... he would have taken state.

Wilson8 · 03-01-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ClearmontChief
Peyton's likely to don new colors in 2012. And it certainly will be awkward to see the Colts icon in a foreign uniform. But at least Manning could avoid having to pay a teammate on his new club for the rights to No. 18.

After all, nobody on the Chiefs wears that number.

It is probably already mentioned in 5 other threads but 18 has been retired. When KC brought in Joe Montana they asked Len Dawson if Joe could use his retired number and Len said no...so Montana wore 19. Maybe Manning could also wear 19. Brings up al kinds of marketing possibilities. Since Emmitt Thomas is on the staff, he might be willing to have Peyton wear it.

I've always thought it was silly to retire jersey numbers. The player should be honored, and the number should be remembered. With a limited number of jersey numbers and hopefully the NFL goes on for many, many, years, you start having problems giving out the needed jersey numbers. Letting a player wear an "honored" number would be one way of also paying respect and remembering that past player.

Rasputin · 03-01-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Yeah, because our front office is going to want to lose on purpose.

OH! but if that doesn't work, we can just rely on our shitty 5th round QB that was so shitty he couldn't even get on the field in front of Tyler Palko! Awesome!

Long live medicrocracy & retread quarterbacks! No they are not going to lose on purpose duh. With Peyton Manning we can win plenty of games to hender our chances of drafting a top tier QB in next years draft and still fail in post season so history repeats itself. I'm not calling Stanzi be our future QB but want to see him over Cassel or bringing in Peyton so that we can continue to search the draft for our QBotf. We are not going get any where until Chiefs grow a set of balls with playing draft pick QBs perfurably from the first round pick of top of the class. JMHO. 30+ years gone with out picking a QB in the first & ****ing retreads to lead the way of sucking those years dry of glory.

ClearmontChief · 03-01-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

It is probably already mentioned in 5 other threads but 18 has been retired. When KC brought in Joe Montana they asked Len Dawson if Joe could use his retired number and Len said no...so Montana wore 19. Maybe Manning could also wear 19. Brings up al kinds of marketing possibilities. Since Emmitt Thomas is on the staff, he might be willing to have Peyton wear it.

I've always thought it was silly to retire jersey numbers. The player should be honored, and the number should be remembered. With a limited number of jersey numbers and hopefully the NFL goes on for many, many, years, you start having problems giving out the needed jersey numbers. Letting a player wear an "honored" number would be one way of also paying respect and remembering that past player.

Ah, Lenny wore 16...

huskerdooz · 03-01-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

It is probably already mentioned in 5 other threads but 18 has been retired. When KC brought in Joe Montana they asked Len Dawson if Joe could use his retired number and Len said no...so Montana wore 19. Maybe Manning could also wear 19. Brings up al kinds of marketing possibilities. Since Emmitt Thomas is on the staff, he might be willing to have Peyton wear it.

I've always thought it was silly to retire jersey numbers. The player should be honored, and the number should be remembered. With a limited number of jersey numbers and hopefully the NFL goes on for many, many, years, you start having problems giving out the needed jersey numbers. Letting a player wear an "honored" number would be one way of also paying respect and remembering that past player.

Wrong. Lenny was #16. So was Joe in SF.

03-01-2012, 11:53 AM
ClearmontChief Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Glenwood, Iowa Casino cash: $9934930	Perfect Fit for Manning http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...content_stream After spending the first 14 years of his NFL career in Indianapolis, could Peyton Manning move to Kansas City? Sometimes we don't write what we think because there's not much to substantiate it. Cool. Now that this issue has been resolved, it's time to discuss a sensible suitor for arguably the greatest quarterback of our generation. Peyton's Place? Why? Because, due to a slip of the tongue, the Kansas City Chiefs are getting some run in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes -- a potential pairing that should have been mentioned weeks ago. Kansas City, at least in my mind, has always been the best destination for Manning. There just haven't been many facts to go on. Yet, there is circumstantial evidence. Before listing the reasons the multi-time MVP should be playing at Arrowhead this fall, perhaps it's important to rank what constitutes a good fit between any megastar and a new address: 1. Availability: Obviously, the player has to be attainable. (And Manning should be, barring an Irsay surprise of Mayflower truck proportions.) 2. Organizational leeway: Funds, or at least the wherewithal to generate discretionary funds. 3. Ancillary parts to attract the player: In this case, weapons outside, a good running back, possibly a defense, mostly ... some chance in hell of winning. 4. A great place to play: Call this "The Anti-Veterans Stadium Principle." 5. Familiarity: Be it the player's familiarity with the front office (and vice versa) or the area. For Manning and the Chiefs, this list reads: 1) check, 2) check, 3) check, 4) check, and 5) check. Starting in inverse order, the Chiefs are certainly familiar with Manning, as Crennel and Pioli faced him numerous times while with the New England Patriots. Arrowhead Stadium is one of the loudest locales in pro football, and the passion of the fans in Kansas City make it a great place to play, particularly for a veteran player. Meanwhile the Chiefs have an emerging young talent in Jon Baldwin, a decent receiver in Steve Breaston, and -- providing he's franchised (it's looking that way) -- the productive Dwayne Bowe. Throw in Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki returning from injury, and an improving defense ... Well, as you can see, K.C. clearly has the ancillary parts. On to "organizational leeway," which can mean several things, but usually it applies to available dough and the willingness to spend it. The Chiefs finished over $20 million under the cap in 2011, and per the new CBA rules, can roll it over to his year to add to their already abundant cap space. Done and done. They have the means, whereas the New York Jets -- even after restructuring D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract -- do not. That leads us to other organizational-leeway issues for alleged Manning suitors: Arizona Cardinals: What to do with Kevin Kolb and his sizeable contract? Junk the experiment after one year and a foot injury? Maybe. ... But doubtful. I like the Chiefs better. Miami Dolphins: Will Owner Stephen Ross insist on Manning over Matt Flynn, despite Miami's lack of stability at the position for over a decade, and the fact the Colts star might only play two more years? And despite the fact that Joe Philbin already knows Flynn (who's a ripe 26 years old) backwards and forwards? Still like the Chiefs better. Washington Redskins: They would surely sign Reggie Wayne to help land Manning (they sorely need WR help anyway). And Mike Shanahan is not on a 20-year contract. However, much like Miami, quarterback is an interminable issue for this franchise. Signing Manning would be a band-aid. Still like the Chiefs better. Seattle Seahawks: The Seahawks aren't into band-aids at this point. "I just know if you panic at the position, it can set the organization back. So we're not going to do that," GM John Schneider said last week. There you go. And then there are the Indianapolis Colts, who obviously control issue No. 1 (player availability) for matching a megastar to a team. While Owner Jim Irsay has far from ruled out Manning's return to the organization, tweet salvos and the mano-a-mano nature of "He's not healthy" ... "Yes I am" has played out enough over the last several weeks to merit speculation of the quarterback's departure. The big elephant in the room is the $28 million roster bonus due on March 8, and how much Manning would be willing to restructure his deal, thus doing Indy a solid. To that end, Irsay had this to say to SI.com's Don Banks recently: "That's the last he'd want to do for this team, put us in that kind of salary cap situation," Irsay said. "He wants to come back and he wants to win. I should say I assume he wants to come back. With Peyton, sometimes you never know ... I think he has some real comfort in the idea of finishing his career here, but I think he's conflicted perhaps given the circumstances. We'll find out soon." Yes, Manning is surely conflicted, perhaps most by something Irsay mentioned in that very quote. He wants to win. Harrison: Substantial subplots As we head into the spring, Elliot Harrison provides eight intriguing storylines emerging for the 2012 campaign. More ... That's going to be tough, considering several of the Colts' key players are free agents. You know the list: Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Robert Mathis, Pierre Garcon and so on. Secondly, the new head coach is a rookie head coach. And while most Colts fans welcome the change from Jim Caldwell, Chuck Pagano hasn't proven anything yet. Not to mention, Peyton will likely have to compete for his own job. Maybe not this year, but how long will new management sit a guy like Andrew Luck if Manning delivers a Wild Card loss, like the last time he played? Fair? No. Life in the NFL? Yes. So of course Manning is conflicted. Why not go to a team that already knows the potential of its own quarterback, i.e. knows Manning is a clear upgrade (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that -- barring every important guy going on IR -- has the parts to compete in its conference now (Chiefs)? Why not go to a team that, despite how little this might mean to Manning at this stage of his career, can afford to pay him what he deserves (Chiefs)? Peyton's likely to don new colors in 2012. And it certainly will be awkward to see the Colts icon in a foreign uniform. But at least Manning could avoid having to pay a teammate on his new club for the rights to No. 18. After all, nobody on the Chiefs wears that number.
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