Chiefs Let's do the Pioli thing again. - Page 3

Direckshun · 05-27-2012, 03:02 PM

I know there's a strong anti-Pioli current around here, and some people pretty much want the guy gone yesterday.

It's not because he's building a lopsided team on one side of the ball, like we've had since we hired Marty Schottenheimer.

It's not because he's drafted poorly. Even if you include 2009, he's been a top five drafting GM. I don't give a shit about Dexter McCluster. At least he gives you something -- I prefer that burnt 2nd round pick to Turk McBride and Bernard Pollard.

It's not because he can't acquire talent. Excepting 2009, we've had successful acquisitions with virtually no busts in free agency.

Coaching hires? Please. Haley and Crennel are pure talent-development coaches. Weis and Crennel were extraordinary hires as coordinators. Daboll isn't a great acquisition, but it's a good fit for the talent on this team.

It's not because he can't build a team. Few people deny that this team is as talented and as deep everywhere as all but something like five or six teams in the league (QB excepted), maybe fewer.

So why?

Because of the quarterback position? Pioli doesn't care about the QB position, right?

Riiiight.

It's not exactly a high bar to clear, but Quinn and Stanzi provide us the best QB depth this team has. We had the choice between Cassel and Sanchez, and made the right choice. We passed on Dalton -- few people could blame us for that, in hindsight a true mistake.

But we all know the Cassel yarn is unraveling. That's the point of my question -- what happens if we give Pioli 10 years?

Letting Orton slide, whiffing on Manning, all the frustration from fans and the media...

Cassel's got a year left, probably. He's got a max of what, three years left? At the absolute extreme?

What do you expect then? You think Pioli's just going to hop from one discarded backup to the next? To another stopgap option and hope to coast until he gets fired?

This is the best this team has been in a long time. Add a good QB to the mix, and this team is knocking on Super Bowl doors for a decade.

Why do you want to walk away from that?

Why do you want to gamble on god knows what the next GM might be like?

There's no chance the next GM is a better draft or a guy who's going to be far more likely to burn millions on free agents that don't pan out.

There's no chance the next GM puts a better balance on the field. And may not hire coaches who value development as much as Pioli does.

I'm a really big fan of Pioli.

I agree, he needs to pull his head out of his ass on QB. But he did the right thing, he picked his guy there and gave him every chance.

/purehate

KCUnited · 05-27-2012, 04:13 PM

All of the over/unders I've seen have KC around 8 wins. That's the realistic expectation in year 4.

**007** · 05-27-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Pioli has had this team finish in last place 2 out of 3 years.

End of conversation.

But we won the division 1 out of 3 years.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I don't hate the guy like a lot of people here. But bottom
Line he's failed to make the playoff in 2 out of 3 years here and when they did they failed to show up.

For comparison, By year 3 and 4 of Carl and Marty they had made the playoffs 3 times and won a few playoff games.

Season 5 is when they won 2 playoff games.

Season 3 they beat the Raiders in a WC game.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

But we have a pro bowl QB.

Not only that, he's elite...

**007** · 05-27-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Season 5 is when they won 2 playoff games.

Season 3 they beat the Raiders in a WC game.

So we damn well better win a playoff game this year.

**007** · 05-27-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Not only that, he's elite...

He's a football God.

prhom · 05-27-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

he's responsible for failing in his first HC hire....it's a real simple point to grasp

he's now on HC #2..we'll see what happens

he's responsible for failing in his first selection of a QB

these don't require long winded rationalizations...

Ok then, talking can does not approve of Pioli. Easy enough to grasp. No need to discuss further.

keg in kc · 05-27-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

The Chiefs are 21-27 since Pioli took over. That's all that matters.

Which is an improvement over the 15-33 in the preceding three years (or 6-26 in the preceding 2).

**BossChief** · 05-27-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You guys are ****ing cherry picking things instead of looking at overall results.

The Chiefs are 21-27 since Pioli took over. That's all that matters.

That's stupid.

At least you could throw out the 2009 win loss record to keep things fair.

That 4-12 record wasn't due to his failings as the GM.

That makes it 17-13 and the arrow is pointing way up.

Berry
Moeaki
Charles
Winston
Boss
Hudson
Hillis

That's a group of upgrades over 2011s squad that should be able to give us a good chance at having our best year in awhile.

**007** · 05-27-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That's stupid.

At least you could throw out the 2009 win loss record to keep things fair.

That 4-12 record wasn't due to his failings as the GM.

That makes it 17-13 and the arrow is pointing way up.

Berry
Moeaki
Charles
Winston
Boss
Hudson
Hillis

That's a group of upgrades over 2011s squad that should be able to give us a good chance at having our best year in awhile.

I have to agree with this. 2009 is a throw away year.

prhom · 05-27-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Which is an improvement over the 15-33 in the preceding three years (or 6-26 in the preceding 2).

Damn, we've really sucked for a while now.

**007** · 05-27-2012, 04:23 PM

Hell, we have been rebuilding since 2006.

BryanBusby · 05-27-2012, 04:24 PM

Clark Hunt thanks you for your season ticket money regardless, here's a free cloth to wear!

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

He's a football God(dess).

Titty Meat · 05-27-2012, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

That's stupid.

At least you could throw out the 2009 win loss record to keep things fair.

That 4-12 record wasn't due to his failings as the GM.

That makes it 17-13 and the arrow is pointing way up.

Berry
Moeaki
Charles
Winston
Boss
Hudson
Hillis

That's a group of upgrades over 2011s squad that should be able to give us a good chance at having our best year in awhile.

Again cherry picking. Basing a success off overall record is stupid?

2009: The year Pioli hired Todd Haley, traded for Cassel, and drafted Tyson Jackson. that draft was an overall F. that's on Pioli.

05-27-2012, 03:02 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4093447	Let's do the Pioli thing again. I know there's a strong anti-Pioli current around here, and some people pretty much want the guy gone yesterday. It's not because he's building a lopsided team on one side of the ball, like we've had since we hired Marty Schottenheimer. It's not because he's drafted poorly. Even if you include 2009, he's been a top five drafting GM. I don't give a shit about Dexter McCluster. At least he gives you something -- I prefer that burnt 2nd round pick to Turk McBride and Bernard Pollard. It's not because he can't acquire talent. Excepting 2009, we've had successful acquisitions with virtually no busts in free agency. Coaching hires? Please. Haley and Crennel are pure talent-development coaches. Weis and Crennel were extraordinary hires as coordinators. Daboll isn't a great acquisition, but it's a good fit for the talent on this team. It's not because he can't build a team. Few people deny that this team is as talented and as deep everywhere as all but something like five or six teams in the league (QB excepted), maybe fewer. So why? Because of the quarterback position? Pioli doesn't care about the QB position, right? Riiiight. It's not exactly a high bar to clear, but Quinn and Stanzi provide us the best QB depth this team has. We had the choice between Cassel and Sanchez, and made the right choice. We passed on Dalton -- few people could blame us for that, in hindsight a true mistake. But we all know the Cassel yarn is unraveling. That's the point of my question -- what happens if we give Pioli 10 years? Letting Orton slide, whiffing on Manning, all the frustration from fans and the media... Cassel's got a year left, probably. He's got a max of what, three years left? At the absolute extreme? What do you expect then? You think Pioli's just going to hop from one discarded backup to the next? To another stopgap option and hope to coast until he gets fired? This is the best this team has been in a long time. Add a good QB to the mix, and this team is knocking on Super Bowl doors for a decade. Why do you want to walk away from that? Why do you want to gamble on god knows what the next GM might be like? There's no chance the next GM is a better draft or a guy who's going to be far more likely to burn millions on free agents that don't pan out. There's no chance the next GM puts a better balance on the field. And may not hire coaches who value development as much as Pioli does. I'm a really big fan of Pioli. I agree, he needs to pull his head out of his ass on QB. But he did the right thing, he picked his guy there and gave him every chance. /purehate
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