Chiefs’ Tyson Jackson relishes his increased role

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Stupid bastard doesn't even realize he sucks. He had ONE QB pressure and ONE hit in the game. Otherwise it was his WORST GAME OF THE YEAR.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/29...-relishes.html

Chiefs defensive end Tyson Jackson almost forgot how much fun he could have playing football.

Instead of his usual trip to the sidelines when the Chiefs went to their nickel defense against Denver last week, Jackson teamed with rookie tackle Dontari Poe as the two interior linemen on passing downs.

And Jackson responded with one the most productive games of what has been considered a disappointing career since he was taken with the third overall pick of the 2009 NFL Draft.

Jackson collected three tackles, including a takedown of Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning. Manning was credited with a 1-yard rush, so statistically it was not ruled a sack.

“They didn’t call it a sack,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel, “but really he got a sack. Tyson has been good all year. He is a guy who works very hard. He’s conscientious. It’s important to him. He showed up (on Sunday).”

Crennel said he decided to utilize Jackson instead of Allen Bailey on passing downs because teams started running the ball successfully against the Chiefs’ nickel defense.

Consequently, Jackson participated in a season-high 55 snaps — or 86 percent of the Chiefs’ defensive plays against Denver. In fact, Jackson has seen his most action of the season in the last two weeks after participating in 48 snaps (68 percent) against Cincinnati. Twice this year, he had been on the field for fewer than 50 percent of the Chiefs’ plays.

“It’s awesome, getting sacks and getting quarterback pressures,” said Jackson, who picked up his first sack of the season (and just third of his career) against Cincinnati. “It’s definitely a different feeling than just holding those offensive linemen up so our linebackers can make plays.

“But to be quite honest, I’m a team player. Whatever I can to help our team out, I’m all for it.”

In the base 3-4 front, Jackson’s primary responsibility is to do the dirty work and occupy blockers so inside linebackers are free to make the tackles. But as down lineman in the nickel, Jackson is free to go after the passer, even if he doesn’t get the sack.

Jackson’s pressure up the middle, when he mauled Denver center Dan Koppen, kept Manning from stepping up in the pocket and allowed Justin Houston to pick up a sack last week.

“I understood my role in the defense,” Jackson said. “They had guys on the team who could affect the quarterback better than I could at particular times on third down. I know for sure I was a first-and-second-down-type of guy who could go out there and stop the run. I’m trying to embrace whatever the coaches throw my way right now to help our defense get some three-and-outs and some stops to get our offense the ball.

“The sacks are nice, but I’d trade those to get a win.”

This week, the Chiefs will face a different style of quarterback in Carolina’s Cam Newton.

One week after facing a pure pocket passer in Manning, the Chiefs will have to contend with the scrambling skills of Newton, who leads the Panthers in rushing and last year became the first player in NFL history to pass for 4,000 yards and rush for at least 500 yards in a season.

“We have to understand we’re playing a guy who can scramble, so we can’t just pin our ears back and rush upfield, get behind the quarterback and give him opportunities to step up and make plays,” Jackson said. “We have to be real disciplined across the board, especially the front three. We have to continue to push the pocket, so our rushers like Justin and Tamba (Hali) can get around the corner and knock down passes and affect the quarterback.”

Carolina coach Ron Rivera has noticed how much more active Jackson has been the last two weeks.

“I see a guy who is obviously a little more experienced,” Rivera said. “I see a guy when you watch him play who is physical at the point of attack. He’s a physical phenom in terms of what his measurables are. You watch him play, and you watch him get close to making plays. It’s hard. This game is not simple. I think it’s a matter of time, that you see guys like that who continue to work hard and do things the right way, they will get better.”

Any improvement in Jackson’s play may not benefit the Chiefs much longer. The Chiefs restructured his contract during the offseason, and his base salary for 2013 would be $14.72 million, with $3.22 guaranteed. So unless the two sides work out another new deal, Jackson may not be in Kansas City next year.

“I’ll leave that up to the front office and my agent and let them take care of the business-part of the deal,” said Jackson, 26. “I would love to be back. I really love the Chiefs, I love the organization, I love the fans.

“This year has been a rough year, but we still have a few games to go, get some wins under our belt and finish our season on a bright note.”

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Originally Posted by O.city

So question Clay, if the coaching is as bad as you claim (which it is), does that not affect the players and their level of play and/or development?

Sure, it's obvious Tyson Jackson was a better player when Haley was here.

Doesn't make him a good player.

The guy isn't starting material.

And consequently, our backups, guys like Allen Bailey, should be manning practice squads.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't know.

I think it has a lot to do with the system and coaching.

Much like the offensive side of the ball, where, until we get a real QB, you have no idea what these guys are truly capable of, the defense seems to be completely hamstringed by the system.

I refuse to believe that Jackson and Dorsey are that utterly horrible versus the dog shit system we run.

Normally I'd give both the benefit of the doubt with the dysfunctional system they've grown up in.

However, neither (apart from Jackson last week) has shown any ability from the 3-tech in sub packages to provide a pass rush and neither have provided a pass rush from base fronts.

To me, they are both busts, considering their draft positions, salaries, and production. That isn't to say it couldn't have been different under different circumstances.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Sure, it's obvious Tyson Jackson was a better player when Haley was here.

Doesn't make him a good player.

The guy isn't starting material.

And consequently, our backups, guys like Allen Bailey, should be manning practice squads.

At this point, it's all about projecting them going forward and what they could be, not what they have been.


They've been shittily (sp?) coached and developed.

Guys like Sorter and Sac are looking more at what they were projected to be and what their physical skills could allow them to be.

[O.city]

Would Jackson not fit better as the 5 and Poe as the 3 tech in a 1 gap?

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Dude, do you watch Tyson Jackson and Allen Bailey?

These guys aren't quick. At all. All they are is 300 pound guys with brute strength. That's their lone asset.

Go watch a guy like Geno Atkins or JJ Watt and you will see rare physical skill. They're ****ing unblockable and it has nothing to do with coaching or scheme.

These guys don't have it.

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Originally Posted by O.city

Would Jackson not fit better as the 5 and Poe as the 3 tech in a 1 gap?

Yes. Ideally, you would have Tyson playing the 5/4, Poe playing a shade 1, and a draft pick/FA/Bailey playing the 3.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dude, do you watch Tyson Jackson and Allen Bailey?

These guys aren't quick. At all. All they are is 300 pound guys with brute strength. That's their lone asset.

Go watch a guy like Geno Atkins or JJ Watt and you will see rare physical skill. They're ****ing unblockable and it has nothing to do with coaching or scheme.

These guys don't have it.

Isn't that what the scheme makes them be?

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Yes. Ideally, you would have Tyson playing the 5/4, Poe playing a shade 1, and a draft pick/FA/Bailey playing the 3.

Those are in oder by the way in which I'd like:
Draft pick 3 tech
FA
worst case scenario: Bailey (and I love that guy)

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Originally Posted by O.city

Isn't that what the scheme makes them be?

No.

When Jackson was drafted they made a big deal out of saying he could 3-tech on third downs.

He ****ing can't.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

No.

When Jackson was drafted they made a big deal out of saying he could 3-tech on third downs.

He ****ing can't.

So again, isn't that on the coaching and development?


Which is stupid because he could never 3 tech and shouldn't be asked too.


He's a pure 5 tech.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

No.

When Jackson was drafted they made a big deal out of saying he could 3-tech on third downs.

He ****ing can't.

^^This.

Congrats Pioli, you've finally gotten your #3 overall to play all 3 downs.

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Originally Posted by O.city

So again, isn't that on the coaching and development?


Which is stupid because he could never 3 tech and shouldn't be asked too.


He's a pure 5 tech.

It's not on the coaching and development.

The guy wasn't playing on third downs in 2010 and 2011. They finally realized he sucked at it.

He's back doing it this year because we released Gilberry and Allen Bailey is a dumpster fire.

If we had better coaches he'd be a decent run stuffer in a terrible scheme.

That doesn't make him worth 10 million a year. Or even 5 million.

He'd be a backup in a place like Houston. Or even Miami.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It's not on the coaching and development.

The guy wasn't playing on third downs in 2010 and 2011. They finally realized he sucked at it.

He's back doing it this year because we released Gilberry and Allen Bailey is a dumpster fire.

If we had better coaches he'd be a decent run stuffer in a terrible scheme.

That doesn't make him worth 10 million a year. Or even 5 million.

He'd be a backup in a place like Houston. Or even Miami.

No he's not worth that. At all.

But when he was drafted I was of the idea that he could be a Keisel type player.


Guess theres no hope for that.


But, I will say, that the scheme we are running and the way we are using people isn't doing anyone any favors.

[RunKC]

I think the most disappointing thing about Tyson Jackson is that he showed that he is a fast guy. At the combine he looked really fast for a guy his size.

I hated the pick, but I thought he would at least be solid. He looks slow as hell out there. Sure he has some power, but it seems like he has concrete slabs attached to his shoes.

He also has big long arms that he used to bat passes at LSU. He hasn't used those very well either.

It pisses me off so much that we got 2 of the top LSU guys over the past few years and they are shit and 4 hours away Michael Brockers looks like a good developing DL. The guy has been solid against the run and has 3 mother****ing sacks as a rookie. God dammit Pioli you sonofabitch!

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dude, do you watch Tyson Jackson and Allen Bailey?

These guys aren't quick. At all. All they are is 300 pound guys with brute strength. That's their lone asset.

Go watch a guy like Geno Atkins or JJ Watt and you will see rare physical skill. They're ****ing unblockable and it has nothing to do with coaching or scheme.

These guys don't have it.

To be fair, you're trying to compare Jackson and Bailey to RARE talents when you compare them to Atkins or Watt.

That being said, when you compare them to AVERAGE talents, they STILL don't grade out well.

The simple fact is that you need to find a way to identify your 3-4 linemen better and get them later. JJ Watt is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Just ask the Dallas Cowboys, who spent a high draft pick on Marcus Spears...