Chiefs Joeckel vs. Alberts - Page 3

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 10:32 PM

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

Sorter · 02-22-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Completely agree. Has Albert reached his full potential? Would we actually realize an improvement on the OL if we are unable to resign him and take another in the draft? I don't think this has been discussed.

I'd rather start Stephenson, Allen and Geno than go into next season with Luke Joeckel.

mcaj22 · 02-22-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Lol. Not so fast. I think we are all in agreement that Albert isn't Ogden or Roaf either. So why is everyone on here so against possibly of replacing him. Not necessarily with the first pick.

We have a losing culture on this team and need to change it. Albert has been a part of that culture since he has been on the team.

you were essentially asking the prospect hype of Joeckel coming out as an LT

he is not the same kind of player as Roaf, or Odgen or Orlando Pace

or even dare I say Jake Long

hes not even close to any of them. And probably wont be. Hes just going to be a good player from a weak class. Nothing more nothing less. But to ask if hes going to be a Hall of Fame LT. Id bet the favorite odds in NO. He would essentially have to play at a Pro Bowl and All Pro level from season 1 all the way til season 10+ beyond to come close, and that's very hard to do today. He would have a lot of current good LTs to leapfrog in a quick amount of time, and theres no way hes doing that.

chiefscafan · 02-22-2013, 11:02 PM

Albert is a known commodity how do we know joekle isn't a bust we don't.

**RealSNR** · 02-22-2013, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Try not to act like a smartass for a couple of min. I could really care less if I misspelled anyones name.

That good information regarding the size comparisons. I didn't realize that Joeckel and Albert were that close; however, the common belief from what I've read is that Joeckel has room to put on more weight.

I am not interested in losing Albert. I want to see the team move forward and not sideways by replacing Albert with Joeckel. It's a simple question of does Joeckel have the potential to end all of the talk about having a true LT.

You COULD care less if you spell someone's name incorrectly? Meaning you care at least a little bit that you're a ****ing dumbass who doesn't know who the LT for the Chiefs has been since 2008?

I mean, good. You SHOULD care about problems as serious as that.

**RealSNR** · 02-22-2013, 11:05 PM

Jamaal Charless
Dwayne Bowes
Matt Cassels

It's a shame that Kendall Gammons still doesn't play for the Chiefs. I'll bet he and Alberts have a lot in common

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:07 PM

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He only allowed one freaking sack last year. Give me a break. Dont fix whats not broken, especially with the first overall pick in a draft..

Yes, the losing culture is brought on by the LT. Not the shit quarterback we have.

I don't know how much we can rely on ANY stats related to QB play last year. The QB situation is just embarrassing. However, since those are the way we track success we have to give Albert credit. Only allowing one sack is really impressive.

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefscafan

Albert is a known commodity how do we know joekle isn't a bust we don't.

Agreed. I'm not advocating getting rid of Albert. Just trying get everyones thoughts on the LT position since Albert is a FA. We don't know if he will be resigned or not. If not, how easy would it be to replace him with equal talent or even someone with more upside? Would it take a first round pick? Did we just get lucky with him?

**FRCDFED** · 02-22-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You COULD care less if you spell someone's name incorrectly? Meaning you care at least a little bit that you're a ****ing dumbass who doesn't know who the LT for the Chiefs has been since 2008?

I mean, good. You SHOULD care about problems as serious as that.

Dude, your still stuck on a ****ing misspelled word and not adding anything to the discussion. Typical SNR.

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Here's the show stopper to this conversation and I'm gonna keep bringing it up till this topic dies a gruesome death...

Lets say Joeckel is a guy that just finished his rookie season and had a good year, and isn't just a guy coming out of college?

Would you be willing to trade Brandon Albert AND the first overall pick for Luke Joeckel?

If you answer yes, please find a tall building ad place a thumbtack at the base of it and then climb to the top.

Once there, try to imagine where the thumb tack is and jump, with the intent of hitting that thumbtack with your nose.

Good luck.

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

silver5liter · 02-22-2013, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Why trade him? Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

This is the stupidest idea I have heard.

**RealSNR** · 02-22-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Dude, your still stuck on a ****ing misspelled word and not adding anything to the discussion. Typical SNR.

This wasn't a typo, dude. You did it like 6 or 7 times. You legitimately did not know the name of our LT.

It's not even a Branden vs. Brandon thing. You flat out got his name wrong. How long have you not known his name?

KCrockaholic · 02-22-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

Holy ****ing shit.

silver5liter · 02-22-2013, 11:16 PM

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Holy ****ing shit.

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-King- · 02-22-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Just go back...

patteeu · 02-22-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Just go back...

Clever and very original. You might earn a pat on the head for that.

02-22-2013, 10:32 PM
FRCDFED Line'em up Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: somewhere out there Casino cash: $9326297	Joeckel vs. Alberts I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands. Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite. With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL. If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?
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chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	Albert is a known commodity how do we know joekle isn't a bust we don't.
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02-22-2013, 11:05 PM	#35
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2000208	Jamaal Charless Dwayne Bowes Matt Cassels It's a shame that Kendall Gammons still doesn't play for the Chiefs. I'll bet he and Alberts have a lot in common
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