Real Talk: The Defense

[Jimmya]

ESPN guys this morning said he has always been a safe ccoordinator but really relies on man to man which can be exposed very easily. They also showed film of the chiefs blitzes and discussed how he rarely sends more than 5......good oline coaches can handle most 4 or 5 man blitzes.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Jimmya

ESPN guys this morning said he has always been a safe ccoordinator but really relies on man to man which can be exposed very easily. They also showed film of the chiefs blitzes and discussed how he rarely sends more than 5......good oline coaches can handle most 4 or 5 man blitzes.

Interesting because "safe" is the word I was searching for, it's almost as if we are playing more "prevent" or "safe" defense instead of the attacking style defense that got us to 9-0

[Rausch]

I think there's a number of factors.

1) Injuries.
2) Inserting a rookie (Cooper) in to the starting lineup.
3) Changing Flowers's responsibilities.
4) Playing better offenses.
5) Lewis playing much worse the 2nd half the season.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think there's a number of factors.

1) Injuries.
2) Inserting a rookie (Cooper) in to the starting lineup.
3) Changing Flowers's responsibilities.
4) Playing better offenses.
5) Lewis playing much worse the 2nd half the season.

I wouldn't disagree with any of those - and like I said I haven't had the opportunity to watch as much game film as my friend has but he claims that he has notices a decline in blitzes/stunts and the defense hasn't been as "dynamic" since the bye week

[ToxSocks]

What they need to do is put Flowers back on the outside and let Berry actually play Safety and not LB. Take your lumps and bruises with our Nickel DB but at least QB's might think twice before simply throwing it up.

[beach tribe]

Part of it, a BIG part is the lack of aggression on D.

We have got to attack the QB from all angles with more than 4 men.
It gets us burnt occasionally but not pressuring theQB gets us burnt EVERY ****ING TIME.

When we CREATE pressure we gets sacks and turnovers. I can live with getting burned a few times to get those. Like I said, we are getting burned anyway.
This recent plan looks like its straight out of Romeos briefcase.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Part of it, a BIG part is the lack of aggression on D.

We have got to attack the QB from all angles with more than 4 men.
It gets us burnt occasionally but not pressuring theQB gets us burnt EVERY ****ING TIME.

When we CREATE pressure we gets sacks and turnovers. I can live with getting burned a few times to get those. Like I said, we are getting burned anyway.
This recent plan looks like its straight out of Romeos briefcase.

They are getting burned, anyway.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Part of it, a BIG part is the lack of aggression on D.

We have got to attack the QB from all angles with more than 4 men.
It gets us burnt occasionally but not pressuring theQB gets us burnt EVERY ****ING TIME.

When we CREATE pressure we gets sacks and turnovers. I can live with getting burned a few times to get those. Like I said, we are getting burned anyway.
This recent plan looks like its straight out of Romeos briefcase.

Thats my take - it was mentioned earlier by onthewarpath that our defensive struggles started in week 8 when we gave up 293 passing yards and 2 TDs to Campbell with only one sack and one turn over. IMO even though he passed for almost 300 yards we still held them out of the endzone.

11 drives =
6 punts
2 TDs
1 FG
1 Downs
1 End of game

thats pretty good defense

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Thats my take - it was mentioned earlier by onthewarpath that our defensive struggles started in week 8 when we gave up 293 passing yards and 2 TDs to Campbell with only one sack and one turn over. IMO even though he passed for almost 300 yards we still held them out of the endzone.

11 drives =
6 punts
2 TDs
1 FG
1 Downs
1 End of game

thats pretty good defense

His point is that it was a sign of things to come. Which it was. I would take it a step further actually and look at the Texans game.

OTWP's point is that the writing was on the wall long before it was exposed. It just took a quality starting QB to truly expose it.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

His point is that it was a sign of things to come. Which it was. I would take it a step further actually and look at the Texans game.

OTWP's point is that the writing was on the wall long before it was exposed. It just took a quality starting QB to truly expose it.

the Texans game was BEFORE the Cleveland game

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

the Texans game was BEFORE the Cleveland game

Exactly.

Case Keenum was throwing it up all over our D.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

His point is that it was a sign of things to come. Which it was. I would take it a step further actually and look at the Texans game.

OTWP's point is that the writing was on the wall long before it was exposed. It just took a quality starting QB to truly expose it.

But I'll play along

Keenum had 271 yards passing was sacked 5 times with one turnover

11 drives =
5 punts
3 FGs
1 End of Half
1 turnover
1 TD

Still not bad

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

But I'll play along

Keenum had 271 yards passing was sacked 5 times with one turnover

11 drives =
5 punts
3 FGs
1 End of Half
1 turnover
1 TD

Still not bad

You're looking at stats and not remembering the game. Keenum....a 3rd string QB making his first start @ arrowhead.....was throwing bombs up on our D. Also, iirc, that one turnover and most of those sacks came towards the end of the game.

When a 3rd string QB who's making his first start is throwing bombs on your secondary, the writing is on the wall.

The more i think about it, the more i realize that it was the Texans who exposed this D.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

His point is that it was a sign of things to come. Which it was. I would take it a step further actually and look at the Texans game.

OTWP's point is that the writing was on the wall long before it was exposed. It just took a quality starting QB to truly expose it.

Exactly.

Had we put up a similar effort against decent QB's and not 4th stringers, we likely would have lost those games.

[Easy 6]

He's been getting targeted and toasted quite a bit, but i'm still excited about Coopers future, he was a low round pick who only started playing corner his junior year, he's bound to be picked on... but he's big, fast and has some nice picks/deflections under his belt, they'll get his technique issues ironed out.

And of course our safety issues aren't doing him any favors, either.