Leaving 6 mil in Lamar's pockets instead of using it on the field

[BigRedChief]

The leaving 6 million under the cap is pissing me off more and more. I just can't let it go.

If Carl and DV didn't see anyone out there that they wanted to sign as it has been argued, why not restructure exsisting contracts to use the cap room now and have more money next year to spend?

There is only one conclusion from this....They were and are beng cheap.

And as a fan and season ticket holder to not try your best to put the best team out on the field is inexcusable and a slap in the face to the loyal fans...

this is pissing me off to no end.. Dammit Carl!

Thanks foe letting me vent. I feel much better now.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by nmt1

You can be a fan all you want but if you're going to accuse them of doing something, have some facts. You have no idea what's in Lamar's head or how much money we have under or over the cap or any of that stuff. I'll never pretend to know what's going on with the Chiefs solely by making assumptions or listening to the media.

Obviously nobody knows for sure, except the team, what the exact cap status is.

What we do know is that the team has never said they don't have any money under the cap to acquire a new player. I believe Vermeil at one time said that we don't have money to pay bonus money.

What we also know is that the Chiefs put the transition tag on Tait which was 6 million dollars. WHen he signed with the Bears that 6 million was available to the club. Personally, I'm not aware of any big moves made by the Chiefs after Tait left to use up the 6 million, are you?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by nmt1

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. You can believe in seven month old approximations made by people who don't look at the Chiefs books if you want but I'm not going to. I guess until we both get a look at their books we'll never know.
I do know that I've heard Vermiel say we don't have the money to make any moves right now. Like I said in another thread, I'll believe that before I believe anything else.

Thanks for being civil, but I believe Vermeil said we didn't have the money for signing bonuses. That's what comes out of Hunt's pocketbook.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I never said that was the only factor. Now did I? I said making money was the motivating factor. Being competitive was secondary. Meaning they do strive to be competitive, but I don't believe they are fully committed to going all the way, hence the ample amount of cap room to sign more FAs. Sure they want to win it all, as long as it doesn't take going the extra mile. If they are fully committed to going all the way, then why the ample cap room they aren't spending?

You say I'm going off the deep end, but I get sick of the "your not a true fan if you don't follow blindly" mantra. I was trying to prove a point since I was attacked on my take. I didn't draw first blood. I think some think that you can't be a true fan if you get out of line and I call bullbutter.

I don't think that's it at all. They are just debunking your argument with real facts.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I never said that was the only factor. Now did I? I said making money was the motivating factor. Being competitive was secondary. Meaning they do strive to be competitive, but I don't believe they are fully committed to going all the way, hence the ample amount of cap room to sign more FAs. Sure they want to win it all, as long as it doesn't take going the extra mile. If they are fully committed to going all the way, then why the ample cap room they aren't spending?

You mean they didnt do like they did last year? How'd that work out for the club?

You say I'm going off the deep end, but I get sick of the "your not a true fan if you don't follow blindly" mantra. I was trying to prove a point since I was attacked on my take. I didn't draw first blood. I think some think that you can't be a true fan if you get out of line and I call bullbutter.

Easy, there pal...I never said that to you and have NEVER said that before to anyone. Either sack up, produce a quote of me saying that or remove it from your post.

Now, you're just being stupid.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Obviously nobody knows for sure, except the team, what the exact cap status is.

What we do know is that the team has never said they don't have any money under the cap to acquire a new player. I believe Vermeil at one time said that we don't have money to pay bonus money.

What we also know is that the Chiefs put the transition tag on Tait which was 6 million dollars. WHen he signed with the Bears that 6 million was available to the club. Personally, I'm not aware of any big moves made by the Chiefs after Tait left to use up the 6 million, are you?

Exact-a-mundo.

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Obviously nobody knows for sure, except the team, what the exact cap status is.

What we do know is that the team has never said they don't have any money under the cap to acquire a new player. I believe Vermeil at one time said that we don't have money to pay bonus money.

What we also know is that the Chiefs put the transition tag on Tait which was 6 million dollars. WHen he signed with the Bears that 6 million was available to the club. Personally, I'm not aware of any big moves made by the Chiefs after Tait left to use up the 6 million, are you?

I'm not aware of any big moves either but just because they put the tag on Tait doesn't mean they had $6 million free. They may have been planning on restructuring other players, cutting players, or spreading that $6 million over a number of years. We'll never know for sure.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

You mean they didnt do like they did last year? How'd that work out for the club?



Easy, there pal...I never said that to you and have NEVER said that before to anyone. Either sack up, produce a quote of me saying that or remove it from your post.

Now, you're just being stupid.

You did say I was going off the deep-end and it was inferred that "your not a true fan if" by stating "I know what to do" meaning don't buy the merchandise,season tickets, ect...It wasn't necessarily you that said it. Don't get so bent out of shape because I wasn't referring to you.

BTW, the stupid comment was unnecessary.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I never said that was the only factor. Now did I? I said making money was the motivating factor. Being competitive was secondary. Meaning they do strive to be competitive, but I don't believe they are fully committed to going all the way, hence the ample amount of cap room to sign more FAs. Sure they want to win it all, as long as it doesn't take going the extra mile. If they are fully committed to going all the way, then why the ample cap room they aren't spending?

You say I'm going off the deep end, but I get sick of the "your not a true fan if you don't follow blindly" mantra. I was trying to prove a point since I was attacked on my take. I didn't draw first blood. I think some think that you can't be a true fan if you get out of line and I call bullbutter.

Nobody said anything even CLOSE to "you're not a true fan if you don't follow blindly".

If you can't handle people pointing out holes in your logic, don't post your opinions.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by nmt1

I'm not aware of any big moves either but just because they put the tag on Tait doesn't mean they had $6 million free. They may have been planning on restructuring other players, cutting players, or spreading that $6 million over a number of years. We'll never know for sure.

The Chiefs, and the rest of the NFL, had to comply with the cap on March 3, 2004. Tait signed with the Bears thereafter (4 days later). Thus, Tait's 6 mill was counting against the cap when the deadline was in place. To afford the 6 mil they would have to already restructure, cut, etc.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by nmt1

We'll never know for sure.

Exact-a-mundo.

[Demonpenz]

whats he going to do, buy a six million dollar casket?

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You did say I was going off the deep-end and it was inferred that "your not a true fan if" by stating "I know what to do" meaning don't buy the merchandise,season tickets, ect...It wasn't necessarily you that said it. Don't get so bent out of shape because I wasn't referring to you.

BTW, the stupid comment was unnecessary.

Look, I dont infer sh*t...If I wanted to question your fandom, I would have done it straight to your face.

I'll repeat this for the 10th time now...and I cannot believe that you cannot follow this without getting your panties in a twist.

If profit is the only thing this organization understands and appreciates, then what is it that we, as fans, have to do to get them to change?

I'll let you answer the question so Im not inferring 'you're not a true fan'.

Damn, this is so simple...Im using your own frigging logic.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

whats he going to do, buy a six million dollar casket?

dunno...maybe a bionic man, say, a pass rusher?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by nmt1

I'm not aware of any big moves either but just because they put the tag on Tait doesn't mean they had $6 million free. They may have been planning on restructuring other players, cutting players, or spreading that $6 million over a number of years. We'll never know for sure.

That $6 mil couldn't be spread out over several years, because it was a one year contract. We used the transition tag on him. That would have been $6 mil for one year.

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

The Chiefs, and the rest of the NFL, had to comply with the cap on March 3, 2004. Tait signed with the Bears thereafter (4 days later). Thus, Tait's 6 mill was counting against the cap when the deadline was in place. To afford the 6 mil they would have to already restructure, cut, etc.

So there was $6 million available for Tait at that point, big woop. The point is that we have no clue exactly what cap room was available then or what cap room is available now. Only the Chiefs do.
In addition, even if the Chiefs have $30 million available right now, they obviously aren't going to do anything with it. I have trouble understanding why people are so offended by this even if it is true.