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**Tribal Warfare** · 04:05 PM

Marvel Unveils CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER, THOR: THE DARK WORLD, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and ANT-MAN

Saturday’s Hall H panel for Marvel at Comic-Con was billed as Iron Man 3, but from previous experience we all knew to expect more goodies from Marvel Studios than just IM3. We were right, as the studio announced full, intriguing titles for Thor 2 and Captain America 2, confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy (including which characters will appear), and revealed test footage for Ant-Man with a surprise appearance by Edgar Wright.

Hit the jump for my full recap of this “update” portion of the Marvel panel. [Update: We've updated the article with concept art for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie as well as logos for all the upcoming Marvel films]

Chris-Hemsworth-Thor 2 the dark worldFeige opened the panel by saying that they’re working on four movies in active development. The first is Iron Man 3, hitting theaters on May 3rd, 2013. He then went on to reveal titles for two previously known sequels, and confirmed another property that we’d heard rumblings of in the past few weeks.

Iron Man 3 (May 3, 2013)
Thor: The Dark World (November 8, 2013)
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (April 4, 2014)
Guardians of the Galaxy (August 1, 2014)

For fans of the comics, the subtitle “The Winter Soldier” should provide a hint as to where the Captain America sequel will go. The title is a reference to a comics storyline that will find Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan) taking an integral role.

guardians-of-the-galaxy-movieFeige added that Zachary Levi has been confirmed as the character of Fandrel in the Thor sequel, and revealed the team that will be unleashed for Guardians of the Galaxy:

StarLord
Drax the Destroyer
Rocket Raccoon
Groot
Gamora

In a fantastic surprise, Feige then introduced Edgar Wright to talk about Ant-Man. Wright had been tweeting about being in London for the past few days in an effort to throw fans off, but he came out to a very warm reception.

“I’m taking the Terrence Malick approach to superheroes,” said Wright referring to the long road of development on Ant-Man.
Wright and Joe Cornish wrote two more drafts of the script last year, but they’ve been done for quite a while.

ant-man-movie-logoThey then revealed test footage that Wright shot for Ant-Man, after Wright toyed for a bit with the audience saying they wouldn’t really want to see a clip of stuff with wires and blue screens in it. It’s completely unfinished since they shot it two weeks ago, but they showed the footage anyway because Marvel absolutely owns Comic-Con.

The footage opened with Ant-Man sitting on a ledge in an air conditioning vent that lead to a hallway guarded by two agents. The costume was pretty metallic looking, and he snuck through the vent hole and started running down the hallway. He morphed to normal size, shocking the guards, then morphed back down to ant size and kept running. Still in “ant size” he leapt up and punched one of the guys in the face, knocking the spit out of him, then he ran and attacked the other guard.

The footage was obviously rough, but I thought the big/small effects worked great. Wright found a way to make Ant-Man’s power work in a cool and useful way on screen, while still allowing room for the playful tone that he does so well. While I was hoping we’d see someone like Simon Pegg play the role just for fun in the test footage, the actor was wearing the Ant-Man helmet the entire time so we never saw his face. The lights then came back up.

“I’ve been doing one second of that for the last six years,” quipped Wright
Wright confirmed that the costume seen in the test footage will most likely be what makes the final film. He described it as a mix between the Silver Age and contemporary Ant-Man, adding “Ant-Man will kick your ass one inch at a time.”
Wright said there’s no casting to announce, but “revealed” that Ant-Man has been here in Hall H all day, pulling out an Ant-Man title card and putting it on the table next to him.

Wright then left the stage to make way for the Iron Man 3 panel, but these bits of news from Marvel were met with wild applause from the audience. Hit the comments to discuss the goings-on from today’s Marvel panel, and read Matt’s recap of Iron Man 3 right here. [Update: Simon Pegg tweeted that he, Nick Frost, and Wright start filming The World's End in 10 weeks, then Wright will film Ant-Man sometime next year.]

Beef Supreme · 10-10-2014, 10:04 AM

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And the lead protagonist of Agents of SHIELD is........

wait for it..........

...........

white guy.

I love Marvel, and agree they are doing far better than DC at every turn.

But c'mon, Marvel cinema. Jesus. Eight different franchises, all white males.

I would say the lead protagonist of Agents of SHIELD is a white woman.

unlurking · 10-10-2014, 10:47 AM

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I would say the lead protagonist of Agents of SHIELD is a white woman.

Good point. The main team has a rather gender balanced blend of 3 men (Coulson, Ward, Fitz) and 3 women (May, Skye, Simmons) in season 1. Maybe not a huge mix of ethnicity, but they include 2 Asian Americans.

What I would hate to see happen, and what Direckshun is basically advocating, is dumping two white men for two non-white transgingers. Why? Not because the story might benefit from the cast changes, but because...derp.

Now, Lance Hunter seems to be replacing Ward on the primary team. Another white guy. I'm sure Direckshun is pissed. Because he's white. I'll admit to being disappointed myself. Although my disappointment isn't because I'm a racist, it's because I really liked the interplay that Antoine Triplett seemed to cause between Fitz/Simmons. I know love triangles are all cliche, but this was kind of interesting because it wasn't one.

Unlike some people, I was more interested in the stories behind the characters than the color of their skin.

**The Franchise** · 10-10-2014, 04:13 PM

**Bowser** · 10-10-2014, 06:16 PM

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The Human Torch is a surprisingly complex and interesting character. Same with his sister; Sue's character arc during Civil War was fascinating.

Oh, and they're launching another Secret Wars next year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2...sive/16987121/

Pitt Gorilla · 10-10-2014, 11:44 PM

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Would.

Direckshun · 10-11-2014, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

What I would hate to see happen, and what Direckshun is basically advocating, is dumping two white men for two non-white transgingers. Why? Not because the story might benefit from the cast changes, but because...derp.

What an elegant restatement of my argument.

You should take a moment to actually absorb the arguments you're being presented with before replying. Because this is not a counter argument, it's a fallacious word salad based on a (possibly willful) misreading of what I was saying.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, that you just didn't read carefully, since I don't know you at all. I'm sure the actual tenor of my argument will become clear once you take a moment to calm down and re-read it.

unlurking · 10-11-2014, 09:04 AM

Heh. Read it days ago and disregarded it for multiple reasons that mostly sum up to me believing your statements are backed by a combination of bleeding heart, soccer mom new-age guilt, and see-me-save-the-worldism. I honestly don't care about your "argument". Your stance isn't exactly "...and then they came for me...", and your argument is not an argument. It's a complaint.

If you are truly worried about the gender/ethnic diversity of a mass produced entertainment medium, you should probably start with a review the demographics of both the customers and the suppliers. The product itself will reflect those norms. Your complaint offers no insight into the manufacturing or consumption of the product. You offer only condition statements, no real recommendations, no presentation as to the cause and effect of the condition you complain about, and no criteria to base the complaint against. Your take is akin to complaining that some YA movie needs more polar bears. Why does it need them? Why aren't they there? How many should there be? How significant their role?

I did not reply to any of your complaints directly, as I really didn't take them seriously. You didn't discuss the aspects of your complaint to a level that makes them worthy of discussion beyond an emotional appeal. My reply before was mostly TIC after thinking about the ABC show cast diversity and your implications that the cast was racially cast. Admittedly, while there was a heavy level of needling intended to pick at the sand in your topic, it was not intended as a rebuttal to your take. When your "tenor" becomes an actual argument, I'll happily read it.

Direckshun · 10-11-2014, 09:36 AM

Your ridiculous attitude is irritating, but the issue is fascinating to me, which is why I've read so much about it.

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Heh. Read it days ago and disregarded it for multiple reasons that mostly sum up to me believing your statements are backed by a combination of bleeding heart, soccer mom new-age guilt, and see-me-save-the-worldism. I honestly don't care about your "argument". Your stance isn't exactly "...and then they came for me...", and your argument is not an argument. It's a complaint.

It's called a criticism, but tomayto tomahto. And it was an argument as it had propositions that led to a valid conclusion. Whether you believe in the truth of the propositions is one thing, but the logic is valid. More likely, you haven't even read them.

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you should probably start with a review the demographics of both the customers and the suppliers. The product itself will reflect those norms. Your complaint offers no insight into the manufacturing or consumption of the product. You offer only condition statements, no real recommendations, no presentation as to the cause and effect of the condition you complain about, and no criteria to base the complaint against.

Well, for starters, it's a cycle that feeds itself. One of the reasons Marvel has diversified its cast, and they'll tell you this themselves, is to broaden their appeal.

Attempting to be race-blind is ridiculous. Psychologically, we root for people like us. White people better identify with white characters. Females best identify with females. Hispanics best identify with latinos. Christians best identify with Christians. That is human psychology, and it's as natural as it is irrepressible.

So it would make sense that the audience for comic books has been overwhelmingly white throughout its history. But the diversity has sprouted now, thanks in part to Marvel's better inclusion, has it not. For instance, well over 40% of comic book readers in the 21st century are women. Not bad, for a past time once relegated as a gateway to a male's eternal virginity. Some of the best blogs out there on comic books come from a feminist point of view. And all of these things started sprouting out as female characters not only grew in number, but grew in their femininity -- not the outdated, sexist women characters of the original Secret Wars, but the modern female characters of today's Xmen, She-Hulk and Captain Marvel.

To suggest that comics are only something white people can enjoy, and that therefore the Marvel Universe has responded to this by populating itself predominantly with white characters, is looking at the cause-effect completely backwards.

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I did not reply to any of your complaints directly, as I really didn't take them seriously.

As I've said before, it's far more likely that you haven't read them, as you are continually arguing against points I haven't made.

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You didn't discuss the aspects of your complaint to a level that makes them worthy of discussion beyond an emotional appeal.

Well, that's flatly wrong. Again, you haven't read my points.

I think it would be an unhealthy influence on pop culture if an entire entertainment medium depicted one demographic as helpless cowards or evil antagonists. If all villains were women, then that's not going to be a good influence on the audience, which is generally younger and impressionable. If all cowards were Muslims, then that's not a very good influence, either.

Likewise, if the only people capable of saving mankind over and over again are white men, that's similarly a poor influence.

It's one thing if it's just an upstart magazine company with limited reach. But if it's a billion dollar industry and one of the most popular mediums on earth, the reach of its influence gives it far more responsibility in how it depicts people of all walks of life. Which, as Marvel's grown, it's tried to do that exact thing -- with mixed results, but usually positive results (I'm a huge Marvel fan).

Really, all the bloviating by (I assume) white males in this thread about how Marvel doesn't need to diversify, or shouldn't have to diversify, is completely undercut by Marvel themselves. Marvel gets it, which is why so many women enjoy reading it, and its influence is growing globally.

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When your "tenor" becomes an actual argument, I'll happily read it.

Doubt it, but feel free to prove me wrong.

unlurking · 10-11-2014, 11:10 AM

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Your ridiculous attitude is irritating, but the issue is fascinating to me, which is why I've read so much about it.

Great! Share your knowledge of the topic, rather than just posting “but…White Guy Superhero” comments.

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It's called a criticism, but tomayto tomahto. And it was an argument as it had propositions that led to a valid conclusion. Whether you believe in the truth of the propositions is one thing, but the logic is valid. More likely, you haven't even read them.

Semantics aside, your comments have not been arguments, regardless of what you believe. You have pointed out what you believe to be an inadequacy of gender and/or ethnic representation. Rather than clutter this response by quoting your “criticisms”, I will simply link to them and ask you to read them for yourself and tell me where you expounded on the reasons, recommendations, or impacts of the inadequacy your claiming.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=391
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=394
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=396
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=399
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=400
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=402
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=404
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=406

You even state that you are not suggesting specific recommendations, just offering an observation.

I have yet to see anyone dispute the condition with you. That’s like walking into a room and stating “water is wet”. Well yeah. So what? Or are you only here to stir the pot? Are you trolling for a racial debate? Others have tried to comment about the roots of the condition and possible solutions. You have not.

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Well, for starters, it's a cycle that feeds itself. One of the reasons Marvel has diversified its cast, and they'll tell you this themselves, is to broaden their appeal.

Attempting to be race-blind is ridiculous. Psychologically, we root for people like us. White people better identify with white characters. Females best identify with females. Hispanics best identify with latinos. Christians best identify with Christians. That is human psychology, and it's as natural as it is irrepressible.

So it would make sense that the audience for comic books has been overwhelmingly white throughout its history. But the diversity has sprouted now, thanks in part to Marvel's better inclusion, has it not. For instance, well over 40% of comic book readers in the 21st century are women. Not bad, for a past time once relegated as a gateway to a male's eternal virginity. Some of the best blogs out there on comic books come from a feminist point of view. And all of these things started sprouting out as female characters not only grew in number, but grew in their femininity -- not the outdated, sexist women characters of the original Secret Wars, but the modern female characters of today's Xmen, She-Hulk and Captain Marvel.

Some very good comments here, although I really think you need to separate the gender and race issue. They are different demographics that need to be quantified separately. I too have read articles discussing the rise of a female audience. This is likely why Marvel introduced a female lead to take up Thor’s hammer on a talk show where the predominant viewer demographic is female. This is an example of Marvel responding to its expanding market.

Unfortunately, you are arguing that it is Marvel’s duty to create markets, rather than respond to them. You are putting the burden on them to be all things to all people. You might as well criticize them for not including {insert race/species/gender here} in their product.

At what point do you determine that Marvel is being racist or sexist? Because that is what you are doing. You are making a complaint that Marvel is both sexist and racist in their depiction of superheroes, because they don’t include all possible genders/races/ethnicities. And yes, I’m saying all possible because you refuse to define a criteria for what is acceptable and why.

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To suggest that comics are only something white people can enjoy, and that therefore the Marvel Universe has responded to this by populating itself predominantly with white characters, is looking at the cause-effect completely backwards.

As far as suggesting comics are only for white people, this is a bullshit race baiting comment made by you, and only you. You even agree that the historical demographic was white male. You also state that one identifies with one’s own cultural background. The only way this is a backwards cause/effect relationship is in a forced totalitarian state where someone else dictates the products you are permitted to enjoy or create. You want to indoctrinate equality by forcing others to consume a product they may not identify with.

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As I've said before, it's far more likely that you haven't read them, as you are continually arguing against points I haven't made.

Wow. You really don’t comprehend well do you. The topic of my previous post was that you haven’t made any points. I stand by that. Maybe you should go back and read it again, and then your previous posts.

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Well, that's flatly wrong. Again, you haven't read my points.

Again, you did not make any points. Go back and read the posts you’ve made. I tried to make this easier for you by linking to them at the beginning of this response.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think it would be an unhealthy influence on pop culture if an entire entertainment medium depicted one demographic as helpless cowards or evil antagonists. If all villains were women, then that's not going to be a good influence on the audience, which is generally younger and impressionable. If all cowards were Muslims, then that's not a very good influence, either.

Likewise, if the only people capable of saving mankind over and over again are white men, that's similarly a poor influence.

It's one thing if it's just an upstart magazine company with limited reach. But if it's a billion dollar industry and one of the most popular mediums on earth, the reach of its influence gives it far more responsibility in how it depicts people of all walks of life. Which, as Marvel's grown, it's tried to do that exact thing -- with mixed results, but usually positive results (I'm a huge Marvel fan).

OK, some more good points here. I agree with your initial premise, although I’d prefer some more concrete effects. For example, there have been studies that link the portrayal and objectification of women in mainstream media to cause eating disorders in order to conform. That is definitely an effect of some concern. My question to you is, are you arguing the same? Influence is not an effect. It can be a means that creates an effect, but what is the effect? What is the effect of all cowards being Muslim in comic books? Is this leading to a conversion to Christianity? Is this leading to spikes in depression? Is this leading to antagonistic feelings against the white male superhero?

You are arguing that your moral measuring stick be used to manage a business whose fist responsibility is to its shareholders. That is unrealistic, especially when your measuring stick cannot provide a criteria for the business to comply with.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Really, all the bloviating by (I assume) white males in this thread about how Marvel doesn't need to diversify, or shouldn't have to diversify, is completely undercut by Marvel themselves. Marvel gets it, which is why so many women enjoy reading it, and its influence is growing globally.

As I’ve said, Marvel is responding to market factors. Like every other business out there. Should they “have to”? No. If they don’t someone will come along and fill the market that they abandon. Some people might consider that a positive. Anybody can fill a market, nobody is forced to.

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Doubt it, but feel free to prove me wrong.

Wrong about what? I see the key concept of what you are attempting to promote as forced compliance with ambiguous moral standards for businesses. Am I wrong?

Direckshun · 10-11-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Great! Share your knowledge of the topic, rather than just posting “but…White Guy Superhero” comments.

Doing so. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by unlurking

Semantics aside, your comments have not been arguments, regardless of what you believe. You have pointed out what you believe to be an inadequacy of gender and/or ethnic representation. Rather than clutter this response by quoting your “criticisms”, I will simply link to them and ask you to read them for yourself and tell me where you expounded on the reasons, recommendations, or impacts of the inadequacy your claiming.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=391
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=394
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=396
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=399
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=400
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=402
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=404
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=406

You even state that you are not suggesting specific recommendations, just offering an observation.

The argument is:

(P1) It's poor form to have a lack of diversity among an entire medium.
(P2) Comics have a lack of diversity among their entire medium.
(Conclusion) Therefore, it's poor form to have a lack of diversity among the medium of comic books.

That's the argument I'm making, and it's valid. You (and several others) are arguing against the truth of P1.

That's all fine and good, but that's the argument that you're apparently missing.

That's a completely separate argument for what I would do in Marvel's place, which is an argument I'm not making.

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Some very good comments here, although I really think you need to separate the gender and race issue. They are different demographics that need to be quantified separately. I too have read articles discussing the rise of a female audience. This is likely why Marvel introduced a female lead to take up Thor’s hammer on a talk show where the predominant viewer demographic is female. This is an example of Marvel responding to its expanding market.

Unfortunately, you are arguing that it is Marvel’s duty to create markets, rather than respond to them. You are putting the burden on them to be all things to all people. You might as well criticize them for not including {insert race/species/gender here} in their product.

At what point do you determine that Marvel is being racist or sexist? Because that is what you are doing. You are making a complaint that Marvel is both sexist and racist in their depiction of superheroes, because they don’t include all possible genders/races/ethnicities. And yes, I’m saying all possible because you refuse to define a criteria for what is acceptable and why.

I would separate gender and race, but both women and minorities are making the same arguments in terms of lack of representation. When they're making separate arguments, I'll discuss them separately.

I think there's a difference between being sexist and not including enough women in its comics. Maybe you don't, that's on you. It's not important to me how you characterize my argument. Marvel's guilty of both -- it's treatment of female characters historically was legitimately sexist. Over time, it's largely corrected this issue.

And no, criticizing Marvel for not including enough women heroes is not the same as saying it's not including enough dog heroes. But have fun with that.

This is all clouding up the key issue that we're discussing here: does Marvel have a moral obligation to be inclusive in its casting? I would argue that it does. If you're in the business of presenting people/characters in media, you have a responsibility to be as representative as can be considered reasonable.

I have the same expectation of Marvel as I do of CNN as I do of MTV, films, and so on. I would argue that Marvel has done a better job meeting that responsibility better in comics, but has hardly even tried in films. Literally every centerpiece of every film so far is a white male.

Media has a large effect on our society.

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As far as suggesting comics are only for white people, this is a bullshit race baiting comment made by you, and only you. You even agree that the historical demographic was white male. You also state that one identifies with one’s own cultural background. The only way this is a backwards cause/effect relationship is in a forced totalitarian state where someone else dictates the products you are permitted to enjoy or create. You want to indoctrinate equality by forcing others to consume a product they may not identify with.

"Forcing others to consume a product."

My, how far we've come from the "there isn't enough diversity in Marvel's films" to "Direckshun wants to peel people's eyes open and make them read comics about black female protagonists!"

But we're starting to get to the point where you're attempting to have it both ways. You're arguing that Marvel in its past had an obligation to create a cast of white male protagonists that its white male audience could identify with, but doesn't have an obligation now to create a more diverse cast that its more diverse audience can identify with.

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Wow. You really don’t comprehend well do you. The topic of my previous post was that you haven’t made any points. I stand by that. Maybe you should go back and read it again, and then your previous posts.

Right.

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Again, you did not make any points. Go back and read the posts you’ve made. I tried to make this easier for you by linking to them at the beginning of this response.

Right.

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OK, some more good points here. I agree with your initial premise, although I’d prefer some more concrete effects. For example, there have been studies that link the portrayal and objectification of women in mainstream media to cause eating disorders in order to conform. That is definitely an effect of some concern. My question to you is, are you arguing the same? Influence is not an effect. It can be a means that creates an effect, but what is the effect? What is the effect of all cowards being Muslim in comic books? Is this leading to a conversion to Christianity? Is this leading to spikes in depression? Is this leading to antagonistic feelings against the white male superhero?

You are arguing that your moral measuring stick be used to manage a business whose fist responsibility is to its shareholders. That is unrealistic, especially when your measuring stick cannot provide a criteria for the business to comply with.

Yeah, there's like a decades of academic studies on the lack of diversity in media and its alleged effects on viewers.

If you want to argue that media doesn't have an effect on how people are predisopositioned on the world around them, including their fellow peoples, then you're welcome to that perspective. I don't think any reasonable person agrees with you.

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As I’ve said, Marvel is responding to market factors. Like every other business out there.

I agree. Which is yet another reason diversity is a winner.

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Wrong about what? I see the key concept of what you are attempting to promote as forced compliance with ambiguous moral standards for businesses. Am I wrong?

You're wrong, yes. I'm not advocating legal punishment or laws to force anything to happen in this discussion. I'm saying a media giant should be more diverse.

You've attempted throughout this discussion to say that I'm trying to "force" things happening. I don't know where that comes from, other than the typical white male phobia of change. Because it's not coming from the arguments that I'm actually making.

Valiant · 10-11-2014, 11:29 PM

Not getting in the debate between you to.

Still stating they should not mess with established characters. Create new ones, hell I am fine with altering nobody characters in the past and vaulting them to the first tier of superheroes if they want to go that route.

Already saw the the cover art for one of the future issues where Thor gets back his name and hammer from mamma. Same with Tony and Steve Rogers. Just a temporary marketing ploy as almost everyone was expecting.

Direckshun · 10-11-2014, 11:34 PM

I would prefer the new characters route as well, but I don't think you lose much if you change the characters so long as the story's good.

Valiant · 10-11-2014, 11:54 PM

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I would prefer the new characters route as well, but I don't think you lose much if you change the characters so long as the story's good.

See, I disagree. You lose all of the history if you change a characters sex or race. Especially characters that have been around since the 40s to 60s.

This is why I said they could alter 2nd/3rd tier characters that no one remembers or care about to vault them to the top tier in addition to new ones.

Direckshun · 10-12-2014, 12:00 AM

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See, I disagree. You lose all of the history if you change a characters sex or race. Especially characters that have been around since the 40s to 60s.

This is why I said they could alter 2nd/3rd tier characters that no one remembers or care about to vault them to the top tier in addition to new ones.

I don't know if that's the case, but I don't have a dog in that fight.

I'm all for better diversity in the medium. I don't pretend to argue how Marvel should do that, since I am not a professional creative person, I just think our society deserves better diversity.

beach tribe · 10-12-2014, 09:02 AM

Black Super Hero!!

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07-17-2012, 03:22 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $552813	Marvel unviels their next four projects Marvel Unveils CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER, THOR: THE DARK WORLD, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and ANT-MAN Saturday’s Hall H panel for Marvel at Comic-Con was billed as Iron Man 3, but from previous experience we all knew to expect more goodies from Marvel Studios than just IM3. We were right, as the studio announced full, intriguing titles for Thor 2 and Captain America 2, confirmed Guardians of the Galaxy (including which characters will appear), and revealed test footage for Ant-Man with a surprise appearance by Edgar Wright. Hit the jump for my full recap of this “update” portion of the Marvel panel. [Update: We've updated the article with concept art for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie as well as logos for all the upcoming Marvel films] Chris-Hemsworth-Thor 2 the dark worldFeige opened the panel by saying that they’re working on four movies in active development. The first is Iron Man 3, hitting theaters on May 3rd, 2013. He then went on to reveal titles for two previously known sequels, and confirmed another property that we’d heard rumblings of in the past few weeks. Iron Man 3 (May 3, 2013) Thor: The Dark World (November 8, 2013) Captain America: The Winter Soldier (April 4, 2014) Guardians of the Galaxy (August 1, 2014) For fans of the comics, the subtitle “The Winter Soldier” should provide a hint as to where the Captain America sequel will go. The title is a reference to a comics storyline that will find Bucky Barnes (Sebastian Stan) taking an integral role. guardians-of-the-galaxy-movieFeige added that Zachary Levi has been confirmed as the character of Fandrel in the Thor sequel, and revealed the team that will be unleashed for Guardians of the Galaxy: StarLord Drax the Destroyer Rocket Raccoon Groot Gamora In a fantastic surprise, Feige then introduced Edgar Wright to talk about Ant-Man. Wright had been tweeting about being in London for the past few days in an effort to throw fans off, but he came out to a very warm reception. “I’m taking the Terrence Malick approach to superheroes,” said Wright referring to the long road of development on Ant-Man. Wright and Joe Cornish wrote two more drafts of the script last year, but they’ve been done for quite a while. ant-man-movie-logoThey then revealed test footage that Wright shot for Ant-Man, after Wright toyed for a bit with the audience saying they wouldn’t really want to see a clip of stuff with wires and blue screens in it. It’s completely unfinished since they shot it two weeks ago, but they showed the footage anyway because Marvel absolutely owns Comic-Con. The footage opened with Ant-Man sitting on a ledge in an air conditioning vent that lead to a hallway guarded by two agents. The costume was pretty metallic looking, and he snuck through the vent hole and started running down the hallway. He morphed to normal size, shocking the guards, then morphed back down to ant size and kept running. Still in “ant size” he leapt up and punched one of the guys in the face, knocking the spit out of him, then he ran and attacked the other guard. The footage was obviously rough, but I thought the big/small effects worked great. Wright found a way to make Ant-Man’s power work in a cool and useful way on screen, while still allowing room for the playful tone that he does so well. While I was hoping we’d see someone like Simon Pegg play the role just for fun in the test footage, the actor was wearing the Ant-Man helmet the entire time so we never saw his face. The lights then came back up. “I’ve been doing one second of that for the last six years,” quipped Wright Wright confirmed that the costume seen in the test footage will most likely be what makes the final film. He described it as a mix between the Silver Age and contemporary Ant-Man, adding “Ant-Man will kick your ass one inch at a time.” Wright said there’s no casting to announce, but “revealed” that Ant-Man has been here in Hall H all day, pulling out an Ant-Man title card and putting it on the table next to him. Wright then left the stage to make way for the Iron Man 3 panel, but these bits of news from Marvel were met with wild applause from the audience. Hit the comments to discuss the goings-on from today’s Marvel panel, and read Matt’s recap of Iron Man 3 right here. [Update: Simon Pegg tweeted that he, Nick Frost, and Wright start filming The World's End in 10 weeks, then Wright will film Ant-Man sometime next year.] Last edited by Tribal Warfare; 07-17-2012 at 04:05 PM..
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10-10-2014, 04:13 PM	#438
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10-11-2014, 09:04 AM	#442
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10-11-2014, 11:29 PM	#446
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6212380	Not getting in the debate between you to. Still stating they should not mess with established characters. Create new ones, hell I am fine with altering nobody characters in the past and vaulting them to the first tier of superheroes if they want to go that route. Already saw the the cover art for one of the future issues where Thor gets back his name and hammer from mamma. Same with Tony and Steve Rogers. Just a temporary marketing ploy as almost everyone was expecting.
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10-11-2014, 11:34 PM	#447
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10-12-2014, 09:02 AM	#450
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