Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 30

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**LoneWolf** · 09-03-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Alshittys is nearing 600 PA, with a RC+ of 50. (Getz is 55 by comparison, so yeah: he's worse with the stick than Chris Getz, and equal to Frenchy). We have to replace SS next year as well as 2B.

Yes, because young players that have shown ability early in their careers have never improved from one year to the next.

OmahaChief · 09-03-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I would imagine it is simply a matter of "We need to get Emilio a day off" and "we need to get Getzie in there and keep him sharp."

We need something sharp to go in Getzie...I like it that way better.

duncan_idaho · 09-03-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Escobar is valuable on the field and on the bases. He has shown that he can be better at the plate, as well.

It's better if you just ignore him. Makes this thread much cleaner.

PB can't avoid over-emotional responses to players, no matter which sport or team. For baseball, if you're not a star hitter, you're terrible.

If the Royals address 2B and RF - or at least one of them - Escobar's offense recovering becomes less important. Fact of the matter is, Bonifacio is probably better/higher upside than any other SS option that could be obtained, anyway.

I was talking to a few friends about that today... And I like the idea of bringing in Howie Kendrick over the winter. He's not cheap, but he's reasonably signed through 2015 and would be a nice veteran addition to the lineup.

Price wouldn't be too crazy... likely something like Ventura, Hochevar, + a lotto ticket like Sam Selman or maybe Gio/Colon.

IF they can sign Carlos Beltran, I'd rather see them do that. Either move should be paired with bringing one more veteran starter. KC, with its ballpark and D, should be attractive to guys looking for a short-term rebound.

duncan_idaho · 09-03-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

We need something sharp to go in Getzie...I like it that way better.

sedated · 09-03-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Getz playing 2B and hitting 2nd tonight.

Why is the KC manager/coach always the last one to know that certain players are awful and killing their team? Ever since Grbac we have been putting up with this shit.

eazyb81 · 09-03-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's better if you just ignore him. Makes this thread much cleaner.

PB can't avoid over-emotional responses to players, no matter which sport or team. For baseball, if you're not a star hitter, you're terrible.

If the Royals address 2B and RF - or at least one of them - Escobar's offense recovering becomes less important. Fact of the matter is, Bonifacio is probably better/higher upside than any other SS option that could be obtained, anyway.

I was talking to a few friends about that today... And I like the idea of bringing in Howie Kendrick over the winter. He's not cheap, but he's reasonably signed through 2015 and would be a nice veteran addition to the lineup.

Price wouldn't be too crazy... likely something like Ventura, Hochevar, + a lotto ticket like Sam Selman or maybe Gio/Colon.

IF they can sign Carlos Beltran, I'd rather see them do that. Either move should be paired with bringing one more veteran starter. KC, with its ballpark and D, should be attractive to guys looking for a short-term rebound.

What about Kinsler? Any chance the Rangers shop him with Profar available to plug in?

I'm okay with trading Ventura in the right deal, but we need to make sure it is for an impact player.

Chiefspants · 09-03-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

What about Kinsler? Any chance the Rangers shop him with Profar available to plug in?

I'm okay with trading Ventura in the right deal, but we need to make sure it is for an impact player.

Yeah, netting a .710 OPS Kendrick would be a disappointing return for Yordano. Kendrick seems to have thoae Santana esque hot/cold seasons. Which, for Kauffman, is a worthwhile gamble for pitchers but a potentially lethal combination for on/off hitters.

**DeezNutz** · 09-03-2013, 04:43 PM

Kinsler is a damn good player, but man is he expensive. And he's been producing well, but not at an elite clip.

I'd rather go after Beltran, even if that means 2 for 30.

Nightfyre · 09-03-2013, 05:09 PM

A few things I think the Royals need to look at this offseason:
1) Locking up Hosmer long-term
2) Extending Shields
3) Acquiring Stanton
4) Locking up Moose long-term at the right price is the exact type of gamble that this team should look at.
5) 2B is tough. There just aren't that many great 2B available. Maybe we should look at moving someone from 3B. For example, Brett Lawrie might work at 2B, assuming the Blue Jays would even listen to offers for the guy. It would be a waste of his arm talent, though. Bonifacio has been great in his short time here, as well.

**cabletech94** · 09-03-2013, 05:32 PM

i know my input isn't worth 2cents, but i'd be all over beltran. even tho i love d.lough.

**Shogun** · 09-03-2013, 05:36 PM

Nelson Cruz?

mr. tegu · 09-03-2013, 06:16 PM

So you can make deposits on season tickets for 2014 now. But I can't find anything on what the actual prices might look like. The deposit is non refundable so I don't want to pay it and be stuck paying crazy amounts for tickets. Anyone know what they might be? What are this years prices for the dugout box or the other lower level sections? And do you have to pay to park every game?

Infidel Goat · 09-03-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Do you have a point here? We have the money to sign either Shields or Santana if we want to, but it would max out our budget and leave no room for other moves. We would be hamstrung if either got hurt.

(I did notice you cut the second part of my comment on Santana, that I wouldn't go 5 years on him. Disengenuous much?)

I don't think you should use big words that you can't spell. FYI: It would have been disingenuous of me to suggest you wanted to sign Santana for 5 years, but I didn't.

I was simply quoting the part that showed you did see $16 million in savings that could be budgeted for a pitcher like Santana next year after you asked me if I knew what budgets were. And see... I learned so much from you!

Now please go back to creating your bizarro line-up that doesn't include Butler or Gordon either.

P-90Rex · 09-03-2013, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cabletech94

i know my input isn't worth 2cents, but i'd be all over beltran. even tho i love d.lough.

I completely agree with this. Legit average/power hitter, hits from both sides of the plate, solid still in the outfield.

duncan_idaho · 09-03-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Yeah, netting a .710 OPS Kendrick would be a disappointing return for Yordano. Kendrick seems to have thoae Santana esque hot/cold seasons. Which, for Kauffman, is a worthwhile gamble for pitchers but a potentially lethal combination for on/off hitters.

Kendrick has a career .759 OPS and is at .778 this year. He has never OPSed .710 as a major leaguer (lowest is a .721).

He's an above-average 2B... not a star, but a good player.

I might be overselling his cost... probably am, with a top 40 prospect like Ventura.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1390308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $1601300	So you can make deposits on season tickets for 2014 now. But I can't find anything on what the actual prices might look like. The deposit is non refundable so I don't want to pay it and be stuck paying crazy amounts for tickets. Anyone know what they might be? What are this years prices for the dugout box or the other lower level sections? And do you have to pay to park every game?
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