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'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:01 AM

Year two of the Barry Odom era begins in a little over a month.

2017 Schedule:

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Hamas' Crystal ball says 6-6 w/ two SEC wins (SC @ home and @Vandy).

Recruiting:

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Titty Meat · 10-01-2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

It may be a bad year to go coach shopping in the SEC, unfortunately. Yaw Yaw's buyout is insane, so I'm not sure if LSU will be able to get rid of him. Butch Jones is as good as gone. If A&M flames out, Sumlin is gone. Bielema is probably safe for another year at Arkansas. Ole Miss will be looking for a permanent coach.

I don't think Mizzou could get any of the guys a team like LSU will go after.

duncan_idaho · 10-01-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Can we atleast agree they are in a worse place now then before the player revolt and BLM epidsodes on campus? I think that is common sense at this point. Now, I don't think it is a death sentence but they are going to pay for it for 5-10 years. If they clean up the mess and don't have any more issues they can rebound. Even Penn State has come back.

Of course they are. Who has argued that it hasn't been a negative factor?

What has been argued is the extent, whether it is fair/logical to continue to hold those events against the University in light of the changes that have been made, and what current state is on campus.

Administration at Mizzou knew an enrollee drop was coming, due to changes in Illinois especially, but also in other neighboring states and in a simple large decrease in the number of graduating seniors in traditional Missouri feeder areas. The toilet bowl that was Mizzou basketball and the lack of football success also hurt.

The protests in 2015 added to all of that. Probably doubling all the other factors.

But despite all that... retention and graduation rates remain high. That's why hamas keeps asking those that are still fired up and still think there are major problems on campus when was the last time they were on campus.

Mike in SW-MO · 10-01-2017, 09:57 PM

May 2017 was the last time I was on campus.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-01-2017, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike in SW-MO

Music.

UMKC way better than MU in that department. Had nice offers there but strong relationships at MSU sealed the deal.

Never gave MU time of day.

SMS has a lot of issues. Hopefully, your daughter does well.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-01-2017, 10:50 PM

People don't want to discuss what the university is actually doing; they want to spout pieties that reinforce their partisan beliefs.

patteeu · 10-02-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

People don't want to discuss what the university is actually doing; they want to spout pieties that reinforce their partisan beliefs.

Tell us about these things the University is doing. As far as I'm concerned, if the positive improvements are so unobvious, they're inadequate.

duncan_idaho · 10-02-2017, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

People don't want to discuss what the university is actually doing; they want to spout pieties that reinforce their partisan beliefs.

And they don't want to discuss what they think the university should do.

What is it?

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BigCatDaddy · 10-02-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And they don't want to discuss what they think the university should do.

What is it?

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At this point all they can do is prevent any more incidents. Keep that shit out of the spot light. If they do that it will just be a matter of time before things stabilize and they get back to where they were.

I was just amazed reading through how many people refused to acknowledge when it all went wrong and why.

DJ's left nut · 10-02-2017, 10:09 AM

Students at the University are still required to take a diversity and racism training program as part of their freshman orientation. Christina Wells is still being given serious responsibilities for a person that is anyone but serious about anything but stirring up shit.

We're still paying six figures for a vice chancellor of inclusion and diversity. The same staff that rallied to protect Melissa Click is still there and suffered no negative professional consequences for trying to insulate an unhinged wanna-be martyr.

It's still run by overzealous ideologues who cater to the whims of spoiled children. It isn't necessarily that Mizzou is a worse place than it's ever been but rather University leaders unmasked themselves as reactionary partisan hacks who put their 'feels' ahead of common sense and the well-being of the University.

Missouri is absolutely guilty of a 'ready, fire, aim' approach to dealing with a non-issue and because of it, they took a deserved blow to their reputation. The faculty and staff that created the environment that let that reaction flourish is largely still there and in many cases were given larger roles.

Mizzou_8541 · 10-02-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Tell us about these things the University is doing. As far as I'm concerned, if the positive improvements are so unobvious, they're inadequate.

One thing off the top of my head - Mizzou hired a guy named Howard Richards who is serving as the AD for Community Relations. The result of his outreach in St. Louis has been overwhelmingly positive, from what I understand.

duncan_idaho · 10-02-2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Students at the University are still required to take a diversity and racism training program as part of their freshman orientation. Christina Wells is still being given serious responsibilities for a person that is anyone but serious about anything but stirring up shit.

We're still paying six figures for a vice chancellor of inclusion and diversity. The same staff that rallied to protect Melissa Click is still there and suffered no negative professional consequences for trying to insulate an unhinged wanna-be martyr.

It's still run by overzealous ideologues who cater to the whims of spoiled children. It isn't necessarily that Mizzou is a worse place than it's ever been but rather University leaders unmasked themselves as reactionary partisan hacks who put their 'feels' ahead of common sense and the well-being of the University.

Missouri is absolutely guilty of a 'ready, fire, aim' approach to dealing with a non-issue and because of it, they took a deserved blow to their reputation. The faculty and staff that created the environment that let that reaction flourish is largely still there and in many cases were given larger roles.

I love you, dude, but I don't see a reasonable alternative to much of what you're pointing out here.

You don't think a one-hour diversity and inclusion course is valuable for freshmen? It absolutely has value, IMO, when you're melding so many different experiences into one college campus.

I groaned about having to take cross-cultural journalism to get into the journalism school, but ended up learning some useful stuff and opening my mind up quite a bit more. Which was good/needed.

I'm not familiar with Christina Wells other than the google search I just did on her and reading her Mizzou law bio, but I do see they removed her from her post with the athletic counsel at the end of the spring semester. She's a highly decorated member of the law school faculty with tenure and a long period of seniority. It looks like she has been the associate dean of the law school for a long time... not simple to remove someone from that post without some real cause.

Of course some of the staff rallied to support Click. Some because they agreed, some because they were looking out for their own general interest (making it harder to fire teachers). It didn't have universal support, and I don't know what you expect in response for those who did support it.

Wholesale terminations/firings? You can't do that and expect to keep the machinery of the school running.

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Pitt Gorilla · 10-02-2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

One thing off the top of my head - Mizzou hired a guy named Howard Richards who is serving as the AD for Community Relations. The result of his outreach in St. Louis has overwhelmingly positive, from what I understand.

Howard Richards is doing incredible things in STL. That was a great move.

Mizzou_8541 · 10-02-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Howard Richards is doing incredible things in STL. That was a great move.

Agreed. A great move for Mizzou, and for StL kids who may not otherwise get the opportunity to experience Mizzou.

Pitt Gorilla · 10-02-2017, 01:37 PM

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bowener · 10-02-2017, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The same staff that rallied to protect Melissa Click is still there and suffered no negative professional consequences for trying to insulate an unhinged wanna-be martyr.

How do you feel about cops when they rally around one of their own that shot an innocent victim or abused their status as a public protector? Do you automatically damn each one of them? I was raised by teachers, and while they weren't at the university level, they certainly look out for their own. As was said before me, some may have agreed and some may have joined out of a sense of fraternal/sororal order. And like police, it is very hard to fire tenured staff.

07-20-2017, 07:10 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7959572	**Official 2017 Missouri Tigers Football Thread Year two of the Barry Odom era begins in a little over a month. 2017 Schedule: Spoiler! 9/2: vs Southwest Missouri State 9/9: vs South Carolina 9/16: vs Purdue 9/23: vs Auburn 10/7: @Kentucky 10/14: @Georgia 10/21: vs Idaho 10/28 @UConn 11/4: vs Florida 11/11: vs Tennessee 11/18: @Vanderbilt 11/24: @Arkansas Hamas' Crystal ball says 6-6 w/ two SEC wins (SC @ home and @Vandy). Recruiting: Bold=Signed LOI Spoiler! Commitments: Daniel Parker Jr, DE: ** 5.8 RR, Blue Springs, MO Antar Thompson, DT: * 5.7 RR, Highland C.C. (JUCO), KS Mike Ruth, OL: * 5.6 RR, Coppell, TX Danny Gray, WR: , 5.7 RR, Dallas, TX* Harry Ballard III, WR: , 5.5 RR, Ellisville, MS* Jalen Knox, RB: *, 5.7 RR, Arlington, TX Tyrone Collins, DB, , 5.5 RR, Bradenton, FL Kam Scott, WR: , 5.7 RR, Manvel, TX Chad Bailey, LB: , 5.8 RR, Missouri City, TX Cameron Wilkins, LB: , 5.6 RR, Del Valle, TX* Jarvis Ware, CB: , 5.3 RR, Apopka, FL Trajan Jeffcoat, DE: *, 5.5 RR, Columbia, SC Gerald Nathan Jr., LB: , 5.5 RR, Charlotte, NC* Chris Mills, DB: , 5.5 RR, Converse, TX* Dominic Gicinto, WR: , 5.3 RR, Raytown, MO Javon Foster, OL: , 5.3 RR, West Bloomfield, MI Khmari Thompson, WR: , 5.5 RR, Lawrenceville, GA* Sami Bakare, RB: , 5.4 RR, Austin, TX Nick Bolton, LB, , 5.6 RR, Frisco, TX Xavier Delgado, OT, , 5.5 RR, Glendale, AZ Bobby Lawrence, OL, , 5.4 RR, St. Joseph, MO Lindsey Scott Jr. QB, , 5.7 RR, Scooby MS (JUCO)* Jatorian Hansford, LB, , 5.6 RR, Forsyth, GA* Tyler Badie, RB, , 5.3 RR, Memphis, TN** There are several key recruits in state this year, and Missouri is not off to a promising start. There are seven 4* players within the state and thus far Missouri has no commitments. Texas and Nebraska both have one. If Odom cannot lock down a good portion of this in-state talent crop, it's unlikely he sees his second recruiting class graduate. Last edited by 'Hamas' Jenkins; 02-07-2018 at 10:01 AM..
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