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01-22-2013, 09:47 PM | #452 | |
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Case in point . . . I understand where there are exceptions (the Calipari's of the world), and while I do think those like him deter from the nature of the game, it should be noted that most solid programs have an understanding of the game and its fundamental concepts.
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01-22-2013, 09:48 PM | #453 | |
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01-22-2013, 10:01 PM | #454 |
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Most college basketball isn't particularly high quality (there are a lot of bad coaches with even worse, undisciplined teams out there), but you can't tell me, Hamas, that you didn't greatly enjoy watching that Missouri team last year (at least until their untimely demise). Their offense was incredible and fun to watch and if Haith had figured out how to get them to play any defense, they might have won it all.
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01-23-2013, 12:36 AM | #455 |
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Rush to judgment on Haith ignores most important questions
BY SAM MELLINGER The Kansas City Star Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/22...#storylink=cpy The first game of the rest of Frank Haith’s coaching career was ugly. Coyote ugly. Brick after brick, a talented Missouri basketball team struggling to win a home game it should’ve breezed through, the injured star Laurence Bowers stuck in shirt-and-tie, clapping his hardest. And, really, a too-close 71-65 win over South Carolina is the least of the Tigers’ concerns. “My attorneys have not received a letter of any allegations,” Haith said, and that’s a sentence every coach would rather not have to say in a postgame news conference. Haith has gone from national Coach of the Year awards to his profession’s endangered species list after a CBSSports.com report that indicates he will face serious NCAA charges from a scandal at his previous job in Miami, and it raises more questions than anyone can answer at the moment. But while most are focusing on the obvious questions — Will MU fire Haith? Should MU fire him? — the most important ones are largely ignored. Like, how did the report surface before Haith has even seen what he’s charged with? What is the source’s motivation? And are we really in a place where a man should lose his job over something his accuser reportedly says it can’t even prove? This puts Mizzou in an entirely unfair position. A promising basketball season is being rocked by something it had nothing to do with … that took place on a different campus years ago … that it could not have known about or acted upon … all regarding potential charges that were unethically leaked under questionable circumstances. If it’s proved that Haith broke rules at Miami, he did his job no worse than the NCAA. This all stems from a Yahoo! Sports investigation fueled by an imprisoned source and focused on the football team. Haith is caught in the crossfire, far from an innocent victim if he lied about infractions, but also something like a loitering bystander taken in for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So for the rest of the season, Haith is coaching with a metaphorical lion in the room that he can’t say much about. Once he receives the charges, he has up to 90 days to respond before a hearing is set, likely this summer. He will have his day in the NCAA’s kangaroo court, in other words, and there is a bit of a hopeful new undercurrent around Columbia that he can be persuasive enough to keep his job. An infractions committee will presumably examine the motivations of the leak, because it’s not hard to imagine the NCAA putting this out there in order to turn up public heat in a case it knows is light on evidence. Mizzou sports seem to have an unbreakable connection to never-ending drama, and this is the story that isn’t going away soon. But unlike a lot of it, this one isn’t MU’s fault. Yahoo’s report was still four months away when Haith was hired at Mizzou, and athletics director Mike Alden — who’s in China on business — has said the NCAA gave him no hint of any wrongdoing when he was researching Haith’s background. The NCAA has emphasized sticking punishments with coaches more than schools, and if it’s proved Haith cheated, and especially that he lied about it, then he has earned the punishment. But we should also keep in mind that in the world of college basketball, these accusations essentially translate to a speeding ticket — maybe in a work zone. Haith just had the misfortune of being at a school with a football program under investigation by a relentless reporter. What’s interesting is that the Miami investigation isn’t the only major change for Haith in the last 17 months. He also won 30 games last year, so even with more recent struggles at least some fans want to see more of him. In the end, whether Haith is retained will depend on more than just what the NCAA can prove. This is big business, after all, so Haith still has about two months to make his case through basketball. If the NCAA leaked the allegations to turn up public heat in what might be a flimsy case, Haith has his argument, too. The Tigers play Vanderbilt on Saturday. They think Bowers might be healthy. Haith’s fight to retain his job will be televised. |
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01-23-2013, 12:37 AM | #456 | |
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01-23-2013, 12:42 AM | #457 | |
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1) Is this a well-coached team? No. 2) Do show-cause penalties eviscerate recruiting? Yes. Whether or not Haith should be indicted or Alden knew isn't germane to this fact: if he is indicted he has to be fired because he's already not good at 1) and he would be prohibited from even being able to recruit. A coach who can't coach 'em up and can't recruit serves what purpose?
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01-23-2013, 12:44 AM | #458 | |
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01-23-2013, 12:07 PM | #459 |
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I agree with Mellinger that it stinks that the NCAA has not prevented the leaking of this story. To me, this should be a factor that mitigates any sanction if they go forward with allegations and findings.
Regarding the play of this year's team, I do think that Ernie Nestor was important to Mizzou's success last year and wish he was still on Haith's staff. Haith has been a good recruiter, but he may always need a good offensive assistant. At this point, I think Haith should keep the job, if his recruits remain committed. I feel for the guy, this convicted con-man Shapiro should not be able to seek satisfaction through the NCAA, he is in jail because of his Ponzi scheme not because of anything that anybody at Miami did. And the NCAA should prevent leaking stories. I don't understand why Alden should be blamed. He got a clean report from the NCAA. Seems like conventional opinion was that Matt Painter at Purdue or Brad Stevens at Butler were the hot prospects. Painter is not leaving his alma mater and Purdue is not doing much. Stevens seems very committed to Butler, he is still there and putting good teams on the floor.
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01-23-2013, 12:10 PM | #460 |
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Sucks to be Haith, but if he gets a show cause, you have no choice but to fire him.
It may not be fair, but that's just too bad.
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01-23-2013, 12:29 PM | #461 |
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Sounds like the Notice of Allegations are on hold now that the NCAA is investigating....ITSELF due to their guys getting info in an improper manner while working on the Miami case. |
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01-23-2013, 12:36 PM | #462 |
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This is priceless... greewe wrote: lol... Hire Bill Self Posted on: January 21, 2013 at 16:42:29 CT kluelesskU MU Posts: 113 Member For: 10.7 months Level: User M.O.B. Votes: 0 Throw an insane amount of money his way. Whatever it takes to bring him here. Then get him behind closed doors for a confession of the dirty tactics used at kU. Beakers are hit hard with penalties. Self is fired without pay for his part in it all. We hire a Brand Stephens or Shaka Smart. Take down kU while bringing ourselves up. Can't see Alden doing this, but after always being the good guys, why can't we do something to benefit ourselves just this once? |
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This whole thing is a weird, twisted mess.
If Haith is truly given a show cause, he's unemployable. But it's hard for me to imagine the NCAA going ahead as planned/detailed in Goodman's report, due to the internal problems with the investigation. And it was incredibly unclear in that report if the supposed money train with Haith/assistants/Shapiro is substantiated in any way other than hearsay from a convicted felon's mother. If it is, well, the unethical conduct makes sense, likely sticks, and Haith is probably unemployed for a long time. I have a gut feeling the NCAA ends up slapping Haith on the wrist for the flight stuff (which happens EVERYWHERE and is not considered a big deal) and the rest of the purported coming charges disappear. Of course, even then... it's not good to have the NCAA's attention on you, especially in college basketball. He'll have to be incredibly cautious for years as a result.
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