Mizzou Basketball

[Saul Good]

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[Braincase]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Then by the same logic, Kansas didn't win their conference. The regular season was just to set seeding for the playoffs - i.e. the conference tournament.

"We didn't win the regular-season championship, but we won a conference tournament championship." - Frank Haith

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[patteeu]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I prefer regular season personally. Tournament success, especially conference tournament success, is a product of getting hot at the right time. Regular season success is a product of consistently being the best. Still it feels good to see Mizzou leave the Big XII with the tournament trophy.

Do you prefer the regular season in the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA or in almost any high school sport? The regular season is jockeying for position in post-season tournaments in every sport other than major college football and there's a lot of sentiment in favor of adding a tournament (aka playoff) there as well. Hell, even in Big 12 football, prior to this year, regular season wasn't as important as winning the Big 12 championship game.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Braincase

Once again, it's all subjective. petegz28 just put forth an argument that Strength of Schedule is bullshit, and now frazod says it's important. I'll let you MU fans sort this out. I think my original point is valid regarding SOS - it's subjective. When it supports your position, you're going to be in favor of it, and when it works against you, you'll argue that it's BS. I think you both just reinforced my point.

Your point was comparing Kansas to Alabama, which is sort of like comparing Dan Quayle to John Kennedy.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Do you prefer the regular season in the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA or in almost any high school sport? The regular season is jockeying for position in post-season tournaments in every sport other than major college football and there's a lot of sentiment in favor of adding a tournament (aka playoff) there as well. Hell, even in Big 12 football, prior to this year, regular season wasn't as important as winning the Big 12 championship game.

The Big IIX tourney could be more meaningful if only the top 7 or 8 teams get in. I don't see why A&M, OU and TT got to play in the tournament this year except for money.

[Braincase]

Originally Posted by frazod

Your point was comparing Kansas to Alabama, which is sort of like comparing Dan Quayle to John Kennedy.

(Psst, hey frazod - this is a basketball discussion. Remember, you don't give a rat's ass about college basketball.)

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Braincase

(Psst, hey frazod - this is a basketball discussion. Remember, you don't give a rat's ass about college basketball.)

Funny, we seemed to be talking about football.

Is one of the games in the tournament called the Orange Bowl?

[Braincase]

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

The Big IIX tourney could be more meaningful if only the top 7 or 8 teams get in. I don't see why A&M, OU and TT got to play in the tournament this year except for money.

That's the difference between tourney's and the regular season, though. In the regular season, it's the week-in, week-out grind of playing everybody twice. In a tournament, every now and then one of those lucky bastard teams finds a way to make a run (not implying Mizzou was one of those teams, BTW).

My younger brother's senior year of high school, Salina Central found a way to win state with a losing 11-13 record. Amazing run, and by rights they really had no business being there. I think that's part of the reason why there's recognition for both the regular season and the tournament.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Do you prefer the regular season in the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA or in almost any high school sport? The regular season is jockeying for position in post-season tournaments in every sport other than major college football and there's a lot of sentiment in favor of adding a tournament (aka playoff) there as well. Hell, even in Big 12 football, prior to this year, regular season wasn't as important as winning the Big 12 championship game.

If those sports had some kind of divisional or conference tournament before the playoffs that no effect on whether the top teams made the playoffs, I'd care about the regular season more than that divisional/conference tournament.... especially the latter 3, who spend 82 or 162 games jockeying for position.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

Well good luck understanding what words mean next time around. I know I will see alot of you in this thread working hard on that.

We can't read your mind. We can only read your poorly written posts.

You knew what I meant before I even took the time to explain myself reasonably. I don't think I'll ever understand where your juvenile hostility comes from.

[Braincase]

Originally Posted by frazod

Funny, we seemed to be talking about football.

Is one of the games in the tournament called the Orange Bowl?

I didn't bring it up, one of the Mizzou fans did. We've gone round and round on this one enough. It's history.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So yeah - you're going with the OSU win. Got it. Maybe you're right and the committee voters will be as blind to names (i.e. 'B1G' and 'Ohio State') as you hope they are. If so, maybe you have a chance at that #1 afterall. BUt if they actually pay attention to the fact that KU beat an OSU squad that isn't a top 25 squad without Sullinger and lost to every other 'premier' team it played - you're probably out of luck.

It's not a question of what I want or what I wish for. The difference between a #1 and a #2 seed in winning (or even advancing far in the tournament) is quite negligible in any case. KU simply has more big wins than MU does, as do OSU and MSU.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It's not a question of what I want or what I wish for. The difference between a #1 and a #2 seed in winning (or even advancing far in the tournament) is quite negligible in any case. KU simply has more big wins than MU does, as do OSU and MSU.

How do you figure, sports fan?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by petegz28

How do you figure, sports fan?

I compare the schedules of the four teams and then see who OSU, MSU, KU, and MU beat over those schedules. It's quite simple, really.

[Trivers]

So what do you think will happen if NC loses to FSU?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Do you prefer the regular season in the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA or in almost any high school sport? The regular season is jockeying for position in post-season tournaments in every sport other than major college football and there's a lot of sentiment in favor of adding a tournament (aka playoff) there as well. Hell, even in Big 12 football, prior to this year, regular season wasn't as important as winning the Big 12 championship game.

I agree, but outside of the NCAA tourney itself in basketball the conference tournaments mean very little. The only exception is for those that need to win theirs to get a bid. The Pac 12 was the exception this year, but generally speaking if you are from a power conference and you do well during the regular season, you will get a NCAA tournament bid regardless of how you did in the conference tournament. Look at KU/MU. MU won the Big XII tournament while KU won the conference championship. KU has a much better chance at a #1 seed than MU. The same could also be said for UK and SU, and UNC. They will all be #1 seeds regardless of how they do in their respective tournaments. Now when I talk about regular season success over postseason, it only is in reference to conference tournaments in men's BB. In every other sport, post season success easily trumps regular season success.