KSU vs Alabama for Natl Champion - Who wins?

[Chiefshrink]

After watching KSU last night and granted it was against an overrated sports media hyped WVU team that has a Def ranked 115, however Geno is not overrated, he just can't do it all. KSU's game all around was just phenomenal and especially their D that I believe is just as good as Alabama.

Who wins this potential Natl Championship game?

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

And you'd be wrong. It's like you k-state fans don't even watch other teams and understand the level of talent difference between your team and REAL powerhouses. It's amazing.

I'm just going to assume you are reeruned.

[teedubya]

If any coach in the NCAA's deserves a National Championship, it's Bill Snyder. Will he get one? Who knows. But he definitely deserves one.

[Dante84]

I bet LSU fans are pretty psyched for the Michelin Tires Ticket City Bowl. Is it being played in Cleveland?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Alabama got outschemed all night, outcoached (from the assisstants, not from Miles), and AJ McCarron had one of the worst games of his career. And Alabama still won.

KSU could win, but it would take Alabama being outschemed, McCarron slumping, and Klein having the best game of his career (much like Zach Metenberger had his career-best game last night). And even then that might not be enough.

So LSU out coached Bama. Snyder would put a clown suit on them if a Miles led staff could do it. Alabama won despite AJ's bad game because LSU offense is absolutely pitiful. One of the worst in the SEC.

Of your three listed circumstances for KSU to win none of them are far fetched at all.

I think its hilarious people are saying Alabama won even though Mettenberger had a career night. Oh wow! He had a career night! A career night for him produced 17 points! That just shows how pathetic that offense is that a career night from the QB leads to 17 points. If Klein has a career day against Bama they put up 31 at least.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Dante84

I bet LSU fans are pretty psyched for the Michelin Tires Ticket City Bowl. Is it being played in Cleveland?

I know we were pretty excited when we won those national championships. K-State fans know what that feels like.....oh wait.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

So LSU out coached Bama. Snyder would put a clown suit on them if a Miles led staff could do it. Alabama won despite AJ's bad game because LSU offense is absolutely pitiful. One of the worst in the SEC.

Yeah they were only playing the best defense in the country. And saying that Snyder would put a clown suit on them? You're a ****ing idiot. 100%. Idiot.

Of your three listed circumstances for KSU to win none of them are far fetched at all.

I think its hilarious people are saying Alabama won even though Mettenberger had a career night. Oh wow! He had a career night! A career night for him produced 17 points! That just shows how pathetic that offense is that a career night from the QB leads to 17 points. If Klein has a career day against Bama they put up 31 at least.

Again, against the best defense in the country. It's like you guys are ****ing mental midgets.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

So LSU out coached Bama. Snyder would put a clown suit on them if a Miles led staff could do it. Alabama won despite AJ's bad game because LSU offense is absolutely pitiful. One of the worst in the SEC.

Of your three listed circumstances for KSU to win none of them are far fetched at all.

I think its hilarious people are saying Alabama won even though Mettenberger had a career night. Oh wow! He had a career night! A career night for him produced 17 points! That just shows how pathetic that offense is that a career night from the QB leads to 17 points. If Klein has a career day against Bama they put up 31 at least.

You don't understand football, clearly. It's not about the stats that Zach put up. It's about the quality of the throws and decision making, with rushers coming right at him. Zach did everything that he could against Alabama's defense. You can't get much better against that defense. And the way that the right side of LSU's o-line played all night? That wasn't pathetic, it was inspired.

What you (and most people) lack is the ability to see how good players are independent of play outcome or quality of opponent. Scouting, basically. You don't see how good LSU's players are. You don't see how good Alabama's players are. I watch (and root for) Kansas State nearly every week. They aren't the same.

I would agree that any one of those three circumstances I mentioned wouldn't be far-fetched (the most far-fetched would be Klein having a career-best day; he's such a good player that a career-best day from him is hard to even conceive, it'd be so good). But it is a whole lot more far-fetched that all three would happen on the same night. It can happen, but the odds are not in favor of K-State there.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Yeah they were only playing the best defense in the country. And saying that Snyder would put a clown suit on them? You're a ****ing idiot. 100%. Idiot.



Again, against the best defense in the country. It's like you guys are ****ing mental midgets.

Miles and his staff out coached Saban. Snyder would do it even better. Unless you want to take the incredibly stupid position that Miles is a better game day coach than Snyder? If not you have to concede Snyder would have a chance to do it even better.

Again your comprehension is lacking. Mettenberger had a career night and put up 17 points. Klein is head and shoulders a better qb and it's not even close. Therefore he would put up more points with his career night. This isn't difficult.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Miles and his staff out coached Saban. Snyder would do it even better. Unless you want to take the incredibly stupid position that Miles is a better game day coach than Snyder? If not you have to concede Snyder would have a chance to do it even better.

I'm not sure why it is you think that Les Miles is some idiot. The guy won two NC's you dumb ****. How many has Snyder won? That shit matters you know.

Again your comprehension is lacking. Mettenberger had a career night and put up 17 points. Klein is head and shoulders a better qb and it's not even close. Therefore he would put up more points with his career night. This isn't difficult.

Klein hasn't played a defense like Bama's either. You're assuming that his "career" night would be good enough for 17. What you don't get is, the running game for LSU > K-States as well. That takes a lot of pressure off of a QB. You think that Klein is going to be running all over the field against Bama like he does against those shit defenses he's been seeing? Hell no.

The talent level between LSU/Bama and ****ing K-state is IMMENSE. And that matters.

[LoneWolf]

Everyone needs to get off of the "Alabama's defense is the best in the country" bandwagon. They have played exactly one legitimate opponent. An opponent with a horrible offense, and LSU made Bama's defense look weak. If Miles doesn't shit down his leg, Bama's would have lost to the only legitimate competition they have faced all season. I have serious doubts that they are the best team in the country, but I guess until somebody beats them thy can continue to live off of last seasons championship.

[keg in kc]

So Alabama's game last night is somehow detrimental? Query: what was the final score of the Kansas State game in Norman? 24-19 wasn't it? What about the game where they had to hold off Iowa State, of all teams, late on the road? Does K-State get docked style points for that? Because they didn't win those games pretty? They shouldn't. And neither should Alabama.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the mark of a championship team is that they win games like that. Somehow they pull it out when they shouldn't.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

You don't understand football, clearly. It's not about the stats that Zach put up. It's about the quality of the throws and decision making, with rushers coming right at him. Zach did everything that he could against Alabama's defense. You can't get much better against that defense. And the way that the right side of LSU's o-line played all night? That wasn't pathetic, it was inspired.

What you (and most people) lack is the ability to see how good players are independent of play outcome or quality of opponent. Scouting, basically. You don't see how good LSU's players are. You don't see how good Alabama's players are. I watch (and root for) Kansas State nearly every week. They aren't the same.

I would agree that any one of those three circumstances I mentioned wouldn't be far-fetched (the most far-fetched would be Klein having a career-best day; he's such a good player that a career-best day from him is hard to even conceive, it'd be so good). But it is a whole lot more far-fetched that all three would happen on the same night. It can happen, but the odds are not in favor of K-State there.

LSU played inspired last night for sure but that doesn't change that overall on the season the offense has proven to be pretty sub par and even atrocious at times. I would sure hope they were up to playing there best game last night given the stage.

I don't think he would necessarily have a career night either. But he would have a good/average night which would be enough to put up 17 points and keep his team in the game. If you acknowledge that those circumstances aren't far fetched I don't see how you can say it would be a three score game. Like I have been saying all along I see a 10 to 14 point victory for Bama with it being basically a one score game until the last 5-10 minutes.

Notice how I said a career night against Bama would lead to 31 points for KSU? That is because I acknowledge how good the Bama defense is because as you said a career day for him is hard to conceive. He could play the exact same amazing game against Texas and Bama. Against Bama it would be about 31 points. Against Texas it would be 62 points.

[keg in kc]

I have a feeling they're going to tear Texas a new one.

[DeezNutz]

There's just no question that Alabama is far more talented than KSU, and the former is the clear #1 in the country with a bullet.

That said, I would like to see what Snyder could do against Alabama with so much time to prepare.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

LSU played inspired last night for sure but that doesn't change that overall on the season the offense has proven to be pretty sub par and even atrocious at times. I would sure hope they were up to playing there best game last night given the stage.

I don't think he would necessarily have a career night either. But he would have a good/average night which would be enough to put up 17 points and keep his team in the game. If you acknowledge that those circumstances aren't far fetched I don't see how you can say it would be a three score game. Like I have been saying all along I see a 10 to 14 point victory for Bama with it being basically a one score game until the last 5-10 minutes.

Notice how I said a career night against Bama would lead to 31 points for KSU? That is because I acknowledge how good the Bama defense is because as you said a career day for him is hard to conceive. He could play the exact same amazing game against Texas and Bama. Against Bama it would be about 31 points. Against Texas it would be 62 points.

Even if K-State scored 17, the other problem is that Bama is going to run all over K-State. K-State isn't sporting an LSU defense. Duh.