Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 334

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

mr. tegu · 05-30-2013, 10:27 AM

It drives me crazy that can't miss guys like Trout and Harper are immediate difference makers while our can't miss guys like Moustakas and Hosmer are missing badly.

And I am so sick of the "they are young still, only 23" excuse. Both Trout and Harper are way younger and are absolutely raking.

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You mean like Robb Heineman, Neal Patterson and Cliff Illig?

It's worse that the answer is staring everybody in the face, and Glass just sits there. Sucking.

I would cry crocodile tears of joy if that group bought the Royals from Glass-hole.

**ChiTown** · 05-30-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

So how long until the next rebuild produces results?

I will likely be a grandfather at that point. FML.

duncan_idaho · 05-30-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

It drives me crazy that can't miss guys like Trout and Harper are immediate difference makers while our can't miss guys like Moustakas and Hosmer are missing badly.

And I am so sick of the "they are young still, only 23" excuse. Both Trout and Harper are way younger and are absolutely raking.

To be fair, none of the Royals prospects has been considered in same league as those guys.

Bryce Harper is probably the surest thing as a position player since Ken Griffey.

Hosmer and Moustakas have still been horribly developed. Their ability to adjust without losing their strengths is just not there. It's become glaringly obvious over the past few months.

ChiefsCountry · 05-30-2013, 10:35 AM

George Brett is new hitting coach per 610.
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duncan_idaho · 05-30-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Is there a reason Paul DePodesta hasn't been given another shot at GM? After Dayton Moore, I could sure stand a GM who understands numbers.

He was an asshole to everybody in baseball, thinking he had more figured out than anyone else, and then failed. On an epic level.

Hard for guys with that rep to get another chance.

I'd be all for a guy who's kind of an asshole, though. Dayton Moore, by all accounts, is a really nice guy who's a devout Christian. Let's go the opposite direction. An asshole atheist might be just what's needed (accountability, facts and data replacing the scout's eye and belief Dayton relies on).

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-30-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Hosmer and Moustakas have still been horribly developed. Their ability to adjust without losing their strengths is just not there. It's become glaringly obvious over the past few months.

Shit franchise turns chicken salad into chicken shit.

ChiefsCountry · 05-30-2013, 10:38 AM

Royals have demoted both hitting coaches.
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CaliforniaChief · 05-30-2013, 10:40 AM

So we take those hitting coaches who are failing and send them to develop our players?

Can we just...fire them?

Oh yeah, and can George still play 3B?

mr. tegu · 05-30-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

George Brett is new hitting coach per 610.
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siberian khatru · 05-30-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He was an asshole to everybody in baseball, thinking he had more figured out than anyone else, and then failed. On an epic level.

Hard for guys with that rep to get another chance.

I'd be all for a guy who's kind of an asshole, though. Dayton Moore, by all accounts, is a really nice guy who's a devout Christian. Let's go the opposite direction. An asshole atheist might be just what's needed (accountability, facts and data replacing the scout's eye and belief Dayton relies on).

I think that was J.P. Ricciardi who was the asshole.

siberian khatru · 05-30-2013, 10:41 AM

Oh, for the love of Christ

duncan_idaho · 05-30-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I think that was J.P. Ricciardi who was the asshole.

You're right. I can't keep those two guys straight in my head for some reason.

siberian khatru · 05-30-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You're right. I can't keep those two guys straight in my head for some reason.

I don't blame you. Billy's Moneyball boys, both failed as GMs ...

tk13 · 05-30-2013, 10:43 AM

MOAR HITTING COACHES.
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-189692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $31300	It drives me crazy that can't miss guys like Trout and Harper are immediate difference makers while our can't miss guys like Moustakas and Hosmer are missing badly. And I am so sick of the "they are young still, only 23" excuse. Both Trout and Harper are way younger and are absolutely raking.
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