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After all, it's really killed recruiting, fan support, and financial backing for the athletic department. And, as an aside, the SEC has divisions, much like the Big XII had when Mizzou won the North. |
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Nothing remotely funny about any of this. I think most believed that Missouri could develop into a program similar to ARK/SC, but it will likely never be among the (routinely) dominant programs.
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Maybe but their record would be much better had they stayed in the Big 12 or went to the Big 10. I don't give a shit about any of the other stuff it's about wins or losses.
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Their record this year? Yeah, it probably would be. Who gives a shit about that, though?
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Mizzou and aTm made a big step up in conferences. Nebraska moved laterally, but their timing has worked out well with tOSU being on probation, as they may sneak into the Rose Bowl. Quote:
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You're underestimating the ACC in football, at least this year. Clemson and Florida State are both top 10. Va Tech is down this year, but they are also a solid program. I don't know if Miami ever wakes up, but they certainly have the ability to be a monster if they put the resources into their football program. The BEAST is a mid-major waiting to happen. Quote:
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I don't know about this one. I don't think they are a fit culturally, academically, or athletically. Obviously, it's great to get the payday, so that's a win. They fit in a lot better before the move, though. Quote:
Agreed. Any team leaving the BEAST for another BCS conference gets an automatic win. It's tough from a geography standpoint, but I don't think people from WV understand geography, anyway. Quote:
Yep. The B1G is in flux right now, and all of the football programs are jockeying for position. It looks like tOSU is still going to be on top, but Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin are all in the mix for the #2 spot. If Nebraska winds up at #2, it was a good move. If they wind up at #5, maybe not. Quote:
The SEC is not a step sideways. This is an opportunity for aTm to gain a competitive advantage (the lure of the SEC) to get out from under the Longhorns' shadow. So far, it's been a HUGE win. Quote:
More money is great if it helps your teams. So far, they are a disaster of epic proportions. Quote:
Stability might not be an issue now, but it absolutely was when Mizzou made the move. It took aTm and Mizzou leaving to get the attention of the conference overlords and force them to address the issue. The team isn't very good this year, but that has nothing to do with the SEC versus the Big 12. They would be fighting to be bowl eligible in either conference. Big win for Mizzou. Quote:
Credit to the Big 12 for managing to remain not only viable but arguably the fourth most stable conference and the second or third best athletically. They aren't as strong with WVU and TCU as they were with Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and aTm, but they made the best of a bad situation. Quote:
Adding Utah and Colorado has been a disaster in terms of overall athletic and academic strength. Financially, they are better off, but they are the biggest loser in all of this because they missed out on landing the whale (Texas and the other Big 12 schools they were courting). Quote:
The SEC's moves will ultimately be judged by their next TV deal. If it's as big as it has been rumored to be, it will be a huge win. The SEC wasn't going to get a lot of buzz, as the entire conference was already in full roar. That said, they really upgraded their academics by adding two AAU schools. Quote:
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We should have moved to the MIAA if it's only about wins and losses.
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Same for Nebraska...and Alabama...and everyone else.
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Saul Too, most of our disagreements seem to be whether a move from one of the big boy conferences to another constitutes "a step up".
In other words, from my perspective, there's no more on an advantage to be gained via the system as long as one is in one of the four conferences. The actual differences between them are minimal beyond "percetion". One can argue, correctly, the SEC is the best football conference of the four, but what advantages does the system give that? The only other area of disagreement is in the ACC. The ACC is an example of a conference whose parts are more valuable than its whole. It is the bottom of the ACC (and that is a large grouping) that prevents either FSU or Clemson from gaining in their relative positions. When a good SEC team loses, it isn't going to fall much from the strength of its conference. When an ACC team falls, it has little hope of getting back into the conversation. FSU stands the best chance because they play a top SEC team to end the season.
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Nebraska moved into an easier conference to win IMO and have an advantage with recruiting. I don't see that with Mizzou while your state has plenty of talent you'll never out recruit the Florida's and Alabama's. I think you guys jumped the gun a bit.
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Now, maybe that changes if the Tigers have a very good showing on the basketball side of the equation, at least from the national perspective (because we know the majority of the SEC cares very little for the basketball season). If Missouri makes a strong push at the top, I think the move will look better for them nationally, especially if they can beat UK.
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Kids want to play in the SEC. It's the big time. People talk about Mizzou getting Texas players because they want to play against schools from Texas, but they act like the same won't be true of Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and, yes, Texas now that we're in the SEC. I don't think we really even disagree much on the ACC. They aren't great. They just don't deserve to be lumped in with the BEAST. Not yet, anyway.
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The area doesn't care for basketball much, but Missouri does. You've got a TON of talent coming out of the SEC footprint, and only a couple of strong basketball schools. Mizzou is positioned to capitalize on this. It's not like the SEC hasn't been raking in basketball hardware.
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