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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

KingPriest2 · 05-11-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Spoiler or not....would you PM me what you heard? The damn rules are driving me crazy.

ok

**007** · 05-11-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Spoiler or not....would you PM me what you heard? The damn rules are driving me crazy.

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

ok

If you don't mind.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-11-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

No no no....that's what this whole episode was about. Smokey doesn't have a "home" to go to. It/He's lying to them. He's always told people that to play on their emotions. Anybody marooned on a desert island wants to go home. It/he's pure evil that wants to be unleashed on the world. The brother, who wanted to go home (because he is human and actually came from another place) is dead.

Clearly THIS.

Jacob's brother was dead as soon as he was thrown into the "Light".

The Smoke Monster took his form (just as it did John Locke).

But he's still the Monster in the Cave.

Something is keeping him on the Island. Whether it's Jacob or the Candidates or the electromagnetism, someone doesn't want him to leave.

I do think it's a drag that they didn't reveal his name.

But Jacob's brother died years ago (maybe a millenia ago).

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

I never got that feeling from THAT episode but it's pretty much in stone after this one.

What gave it away in the Richard ep?

The whole "Cork" comment that he made.

I don't think the island is hell like he said, but its like hell, and smokey is like the devil, and he doesn't want to let the so called devil out of so called hell.

To be honest with you, my buddies and I are huge lost fans and we pretty much were smoking weed one night discussing it and that came into my head, and I used that line Jacob said from Ab Aeterno. It wasn't set in stone until tonight.

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 12:42 AM

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No....Smokey takes the form of Jacob's brother to **** with him. Jacob's brother is dead. Just like in current times. Smokey has taken the form of John Locke to **** with Jack and co. John Locke is dead.

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

No no no....that's what this whole episode was about. Smokey doesn't have a "home" to go to. It/He's lying to them. He's always told people that to play on their emotions. Anybody marooned on a desert island wants to go home. It/he's pure evil that wants to be unleashed on the world. The brother, who wanted to go home (because he is human and actually came from another place) is dead.

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Originally Posted by Guru

That is what smokey does. He takes the form of dead people. I think when Jacob threw his brother to the ground and hit his head in the stream, that killed him.

Now, on the subject that the mother said they couldn't kill each other. I have no idea.

The only way smokey can take the form of the brother is for the brother to have died though. At least according to everything they have told us the last couple years.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clearly THIS.

Jacob's brother was dead as soon as he was thrown into the "Light".

The Smoke Monster took his form (just as it did John Locke).

But he's still the Monster in the Cave.

Something is keeping him on the Island. Whether it's Jacob or the Candidates or the electromagnetism, someone doesn't want him to leave.

I do think it's a drag that they didn't reveal his name.

But Jacob's brother died years ago (maybe a millenia ago).

Reading these quotes sparked something in my head.

The reason why Smokey couldn't kill Jacob is because Jacob created him or let him out, more specifically.

Okay, I couldn't understand wtf the real mom said when she was giving Jacob's brother a name. Did anyone catch that?

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 01:11 AM

Here's something going off of Guru's theory. Its not exactly the same, but reading his theory made me think of this. (By the way, why are they bringing up more questions?)

The Mother has to be some kind of special force who was able to kill a whole village, not to mention dragging an unconscious body up a shoddy ladder and then filling that entire hole up with Dirt and Rocks. So I agree with him that she has a little bit of Smokey in her too (at least some kind of badass creature).

Before she gave the wine to Jacob and essentially her power (note how she didn't age over 30 years), she said to the MIB, "I'm sorry," and hit his head on the wall. The next we see the MIB he is laying unconscious on the ground, so maybe she also gave him her power, but her evil power. Like she had good and evil in her, and gave Jacob the good and MIB the evil.

Remember when Jacob refused to drink the wine at first saying she always wanted MIB to the protector? She responded with something along the lines of, "You are the one who needs to protect it. I see that now, and soon you will see it too." I think that has to do with the fact that she now knows that MIB will turn evil.

**007** · 05-12-2010, 01:29 AM

definitely plausible with this series.

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2010, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck

Reading these quotes sparked something in my head.

The reason why Smokey couldn't kill Jacob is because Jacob created him or let him out, more specifically.

Okay, I couldn't understand wtf the real mom said when she was giving Jacob's brother a name. Did anyone catch that?

Something like 'I don't have another name' or 'I only came up with one name.'

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clearly THIS.

Jacob's brother was dead as soon as he was thrown into the "Light".

The Smoke Monster took his form (just as it did John Locke).

But he's still the Monster in the Cave.

Something is keeping him on the Island. Whether it's Jacob or the Candidates or the electromagnetism, someone doesn't want him to leave.

I do think it's a drag that they didn't reveal his name.

But Jacob's brother died years ago (maybe a millenia ago).

There is nothing to indicate that the smoke monster existed before MIB was thrown into the cave.

**BigRedChief** · 05-12-2010, 06:38 AM

This is BS. Why bring up more questions with only 1 more episode before the final? What did we learn? Orgins? So what? How does that matter to the current two story/time lines? You answer one question and give us two more. It was just a background episode. A filler with only one episode left before the final.

You could have done this episode eariler in the season without an issue. You are suppose to doing major reveals. We have Sayid and and our love birds dying off, we are going forward fast now to the conclusion and you stop us dead in our tracks with a background episode? We are going to get really screwed on some answers to Lost mystery's.

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2010, 06:53 AM

First off, when Jacob tell's 'mother' "but now I'm all you have,' just prior to communion, I swear they dubbed in Ben Linus' voice. Not really, but the actor delivered it just like Ben's petulant scolds of years past.

Jacob twice strikes out in anger with his fists, 'not-Locke' once with a dagger. More nature versus science?

Jacob tells his brother goodbye, but not a word for 'mother.'

The thing that struck me as the most shoddy, was when 'not-Locke' discovered the light. Looked and looked and looked, and found it behind a wall in a below ground room apparently a few feet from their camp.

Sooooo, . . . . who built the wall? And why didn't they notice this immense light they were walling off?

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 07:16 AM

If Jacob's mom told him he could never leave the island, then why was he all around the world touching the candidates at various points in their life? Did he use the donkey wheel?

tymania · 05-12-2010, 07:35 AM

last nights episode definitely created more questions.. They should have shown this episode earlier this season, and spent a little more time elaborating throughout the season. Very good episode, just wish it would have answered more questions than it created... The 2 1/2 hr finale better be a dandy!

Mr. Plow · 05-12-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tymania

The 2 1/2 hr finale better be a dandy!

Honestly, I have this feeling that no matter how in depth they go, it won't answer everything....and I think that's the way it's intended to be.

tymania · 05-12-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Honestly, I have this feeling that no matter how in depth they go, it won't answer everything....and I think that's the way it's intended to be.

No doubt about it they are going to leave questions unanswered.. i have made my peace with that.. but really to create new questions that wont be answered is kind of a slap in the face... But what can you do, im just along for the ride like everyone else

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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8249900	Here's something going off of Guru's theory. Its not exactly the same, but reading his theory made me think of this. (By the way, why are they bringing up more questions?) The Mother has to be some kind of special force who was able to kill a whole village, not to mention dragging an unconscious body up a shoddy ladder and then filling that entire hole up with Dirt and Rocks. So I agree with him that she has a little bit of Smokey in her too (at least some kind of badass creature). Before she gave the wine to Jacob and essentially her power (note how she didn't age over 30 years), she said to the MIB, "I'm sorry," and hit his head on the wall. The next we see the MIB he is laying unconscious on the ground, so maybe she also gave him her power, but her evil power. Like she had good and evil in her, and gave Jacob the good and MIB the evil. Remember when Jacob refused to drink the wine at first saying she always wanted MIB to the protector? She responded with something along the lines of, "You are the one who needs to protect it. I see that now, and soon you will see it too." I think that has to do with the fact that she now knows that MIB will turn evil.
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007 Shaken. Not stirred. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Casino cash: $13950126 VARSITY	definitely plausible with this series. __________________ My dear girl, there are some things that just aren’t done. Such as, drinking Dom Perignon ’53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.
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05-12-2010, 06:38 AM	#5200
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2869627 VARSITY	This is BS. Why bring up more questions with only 1 more episode before the final? What did we learn? Orgins? So what? How does that matter to the current two story/time lines? You answer one question and give us two more. It was just a background episode. A filler with only one episode left before the final. You could have done this episode eariler in the season without an issue. You are suppose to doing major reveals. We have Sayid and and our love birds dying off, we are going forward fast now to the conclusion and you stop us dead in our tracks with a background episode? We are going to get really screwed on some answers to Lost mystery's. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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05-12-2010, 06:53 AM	#5201
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	First off, when Jacob tell's 'mother' "but now I'm all you have,' just prior to communion, I swear they dubbed in Ben Linus' voice. Not really, but the actor delivered it just like Ben's petulant scolds of years past. Jacob twice strikes out in anger with his fists, 'not-Locke' once with a dagger. More nature versus science? Jacob tells his brother goodbye, but not a word for 'mother.' The thing that struck me as the most shoddy, was when 'not-Locke' discovered the light. Looked and looked and looked, and found it behind a wall in a below ground room apparently a few feet from their camp. Sooooo, . . . . who built the wall? And why didn't they notice this immense light they were walling off? __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W. Last edited by Baby Lee; 05-12-2010 at 07:03 AM..
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7823688	If Jacob's mom told him he could never leave the island, then why was he all around the world touching the candidates at various points in their life? Did he use the donkey wheel? __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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05-12-2010, 07:35 AM	#5203
tymania Love it or Leave it USA#1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Council Bluffs, Iowa Casino cash: $10004900	last nights episode definitely created more questions.. They should have shown this episode earlier this season, and spent a little more time elaborating throughout the season. Very good episode, just wish it would have answered more questions than it created... The 2 1/2 hr finale better be a dandy!
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