Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 348

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

tymania · 05-12-2010, 07:53 AM

SO the little Kid that Flocke kept on seeing in the woods was Jacob as a little boy.. interesting…..

Mr. Plow · 05-12-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tymania

SO the little Kid that Flocke kept on seeing in the woods was Jacob as a little boy.. interesting…..

Damnit....I didn't pay attention to that.

**BigRedChief** · 05-12-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Jacob's mom told him he could never leave the island, then why was he all around the world touching the candidates at various points in their life? Did he use the donkey wheel?

yes, that had better be explained.

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2010, 09:06 AM

I gotta go there, when Pellegrino [Jacob] tries to emote, I can't tell if he's doing;

A George Bush imitation
An imitation of Will Ferrell imitating bush
A bemused chimpanzee.

tymania · 05-12-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I gotta go there, when Pellegrino [Jacob] tries to emote, I can't tell if he's doing;

A George Bush imitation
An imitation of Will Ferrell imitating bush
A bemused chimpanzee.

huh?

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Jacob's mom told him he could never leave the island, then why was he all around the world touching the candidates at various points in their life? Did he use the donkey wheel?

Clearly he doesn't believe everything she said.

keg in kc · 05-12-2010, 09:41 AM

I really didn't like that one very much, at least not until the last 2 minutes or so when they tied it back to the bodies in the cave (very cool). It almost felt like it should have been a post script to the series. While I was watching it seemed like afterthought, or maybe a hiccup. That is to say, there's been a certain sense of motion building toward the series' end, but last night was sort of a terminus interruptus. I know it's supposed to provide new insight into the "mysteries of the island" and all that jazz, but it left me feeling like I'd watched an hour of filler. I think not having the cast at large part of it until the very end was part of that, especially after the deaths of the previous week (which I'd just watched). Anyway, it didn't work for me.

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 09:58 AM

Unless they are going to interrupt the final two episodes with backstory, I guess we never get any explanations about the whole Egyptian mythology - statue, temples, etc.

tymania · 05-12-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Unless they are going to interrupt the final two episodes with backstory, I guess we never get any explanations about the whole Egyptian mythology - statue, temples, etc.

they really need another Season to finish this off right.. or a LOST event where they have Origins of Lost episodes, or LOST explained Episodes or something

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Unless they are going to interrupt the final two episodes with backstory, I guess we never get any explanations about the whole Egyptian mythology - statue, temples, etc.

That's what I'm worried about. I have faith in the writers that they'll tie in what happened las tnigjt to these next 2 eps.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-12-2010, 10:18 AM

I think you guys are trying to read too much into this episode. It was pretty clear to me what happened.

1. Jacob & the MIB's birth mother came with a group that had learned about the power the Island held and wanted to capture it (just like so many men before and after, including the Dharma Group).

2. Jacob & MIB's adoptive mother was at one time a part of a group that wanted to possess the power as well, but somewhere along the way, she was convinced to kill everyone in her group and become the Protector of the Island.

3. After spending who knows how long protecting the island (a decade? A millenia?), she sees an "out" in Claudia's boys. She saw that the MIB was "special" in that he could speak to dead people.

4. The MIB wanted to go "home" to be a part of normal civilization. He didn't want to escape the island to destroy mankind, just to be a part of the "real" world.

5. By killing his mother, the MIB released her from the duties as the Island Protector, thus the "Thank You". Jacob, not fully understanding the meaning behind his new duties and unable to reconcile the murder of his mother, drags the MIB to the "Source" and murders him.

6. When the MIB's dead body floats in the cave and makes contact with "The Source", the Smoke Monster is unleashed and capable of appearing as any dead human it comes in contact with, thus taking human form.

7. Jacob finally realized his mission is to keep the Smoke Monster contained on the Island because if it's unleashed on the world, it will destroy it.

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I was satisfied enough with the "Origin" episode, although I was a little disappointed that "Adam & Eve" were Jacob's adoptive mother and brother. That made the "Adam & Eve" thing a little creepy and for the most part, invalidates the meaning of "Adam & Eve", as they were not the first on the island by any stretch. The more I think about it, it seems tacked on and weak.

I don't think we'll ever find out who built the statue of Taweret or who painted all of the Egyptian hieroglyphics but we're to assume that at one point, Egyptian came to the island in order to capture the "Source" of the Island's power and quickly realized that they could not conceive children, hence the statue.

I'm sure there will be more "mysteries" that will be left to the imagination, which will frustrate anyone that wanted solid, concrete answers.

**Buck** · 05-12-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

2. Jacob & MIB's adoptive mother was at one time a part of a group that wanted to possess the power as well, but somewhere along the way, she was convinced to kill everyone in her group and become the Protector of the Island.

Thats pretty assumptive, but it makes sense. I agree with everything else you said.

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

No no no....that's what this whole episode was about. Smokey doesn't have a "home" to go to. It/He's lying to them. He's always told people that to play on their emotions. Anybody marooned on a desert island wants to go home. It/he's pure evil that wants to be unleashed on the world. The brother, who wanted to go home (because he is human and actually came from another place) is dead.

I don't totally agree with this. When FLocke took Kate to the beach a few episodes ago, FLocke confided that "my mother was crazy" and a long time ago he had a mother like everyone else and he has problems that he is still working through because of it. That is certainly MIB.

patteeu · 05-12-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is BS. Why bring up more questions with only 1 more episode before the final? What did we learn? Orgins? So what? How does that matter to the current two story/time lines? You answer one question and give us two more. It was just a background episode. A filler with only one episode left before the final.

You could have done this episode eariler in the season without an issue. You are suppose to doing major reveals. We have Sayid and and our love birds dying off, we are going forward fast now to the conclusion and you stop us dead in our tracks with a background episode? We are going to get really screwed on some answers to Lost mystery's.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I really didn't like that one very much, at least not until the last 2 minutes or so when they tied it back to the bodies in the cave (very cool). It almost felt like it should have been a post script to the series. While I was watching it seemed like afterthought, or maybe a hiccup. That is to say, there's been a certain sense of motion building toward the series' end, but last night was sort of a terminus interruptus. I know it's supposed to provide new insight into the "mysteries of the island" and all that jazz, but it left me feeling like I'd watched an hour of filler. I think not having the cast at large part of it until the very end was part of that, especially after the deaths of the previous week (which I'd just watched). Anyway, it didn't work for me.

The term you gentlemen are searching desperately for is "throwaway".

**BigRedChief** · 05-12-2010, 11:11 AM

Okay Dane you think the whole point of the Island is to keep MIB on it? Because MIB will take over the world if he's allowed to leave the Island?

Richard didn't age, Jacob and MIB's adoptive mom didn't age. Whats the tie in?

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05-12-2010, 09:06 AM	#5209
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	I gotta go there, when Pellegrino [Jacob] tries to emote, I can't tell if he's doing; A George Bush imitation An imitation of Will Ferrell imitating bush A bemused chimpanzee. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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05-12-2010, 09:41 AM	#5212
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I really didn't like that one very much, at least not until the last 2 minutes or so when they tied it back to the bodies in the cave (very cool). It almost felt like it should have been a post script to the series. While I was watching it seemed like afterthought, or maybe a hiccup. That is to say, there's been a certain sense of motion building toward the series' end, but last night was sort of a terminus interruptus. I know it's supposed to provide new insight into the "mysteries of the island" and all that jazz, but it left me feeling like I'd watched an hour of filler. I think not having the cast at large part of it until the very end was part of that, especially after the deaths of the previous week (which I'd just watched). Anyway, it didn't work for me.
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05-12-2010, 09:58 AM	#5213
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05-12-2010, 10:18 AM	#5216
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	I think you guys are trying to read too much into this episode. It was pretty clear to me what happened. 1. Jacob & the MIB's birth mother came with a group that had learned about the power the Island held and wanted to capture it (just like so many men before and after, including the Dharma Group). 2. Jacob & MIB's adoptive mother was at one time a part of a group that wanted to possess the power as well, but somewhere along the way, she was convinced to kill everyone in her group and become the Protector of the Island. 3. After spending who knows how long protecting the island (a decade? A millenia?), she sees an "out" in Claudia's boys. She saw that the MIB was "special" in that he could speak to dead people. 4. The MIB wanted to go "home" to be a part of normal civilization. He didn't want to escape the island to destroy mankind, just to be a part of the "real" world. 5. By killing his mother, the MIB released her from the duties as the Island Protector, thus the "Thank You". Jacob, not fully understanding the meaning behind his new duties and unable to reconcile the murder of his mother, drags the MIB to the "Source" and murders him. 6. When the MIB's dead body floats in the cave and makes contact with "The Source", the Smoke Monster is unleashed and capable of appearing as any dead human it comes in contact with, thus taking human form. 7. Jacob finally realized his mission is to keep the Smoke Monster contained on the Island because if it's unleashed on the world, it will destroy it. -------------------------------------------------------- I was satisfied enough with the "Origin" episode, although I was a little disappointed that "Adam & Eve" were Jacob's adoptive mother and brother. That made the "Adam & Eve" thing a little creepy and for the most part, invalidates the meaning of "Adam & Eve", as they were not the first on the island by any stretch. The more I think about it, it seems tacked on and weak. I don't think we'll ever find out who built the statue of Taweret or who painted all of the Egyptian hieroglyphics but we're to assume that at one point, Egyptian came to the island in order to capture the "Source" of the Island's power and quickly realized that they could not conceive children, hence the statue. I'm sure there will be more "mysteries" that will be left to the imagination, which will frustrate anyone that wanted solid, concrete answers.
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05-12-2010, 11:11 AM	#5220
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