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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

patteeu · 05-12-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIII

Just thought of something.

Remember how she said you don't die if you go in the light, something far worse happense to you? Well the only way she could know is if she either went in the light orrrrrrrr, she saw someone go in the light. Maybe there was another smokey on the island, and when MIB went in, he replaced that smokey, as Jacob replaced his mother.

I don't think we'll ever find out though.

If your theory is right, we could possibly find out if another lostie goes down in the light in one of the last couple of episodes and ends up replacing FLocke as the new smokey.

**AustinChief** · 05-12-2010, 07:27 PM

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But if the Mother could also turn into the Smoke Monster, why would she want to protect the light in the cave? Why wouldn't she want to be unleashed on the world like the Flocke/MIB/Smoke Monster?

Plus, the Mother obviously didn't lose her corporeal form, so that theory is out the window.

When she died, she decomposed, as did Jacob's twin brother.

I think the Smoke Monster is some sort of demon that needs a dead body to inhabit in order to leave the Island. Otherwise, he's trapped forever.

I think the smoke monster is just another form of the person.. so becoming smokey doesn't change who you are or your motivations just what form you take. Which is why she could be a smokey dedicated to guarding while mib is still dedicated to his childhood wish to leave.

If you notice, smokey appears as himself later in time... the mom could be just appearing as herself the entire episode... (except off camera when she levels a village and fills a bunch of holes in a few hours)

And smokey doesn't inhabit bodies , he just takes the form of them.

**AustinChief** · 05-12-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think the scene was shown for two reasons:

1. To reveal the consequences of entering the light in the cave.
2. To reveal that Jacob's twin brother was actually dead and NOT the Smoke Monster.

The Smoke Monster is able to take the form of any dead human that it thinks will benefit it in its attempt to escape the island.

First, it used the identity of Jacob's dead brother but after hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, it figures out that the MIB's identity does him no good. So, he hatches a plot (as we saw in Season Five) to where he can take the identity of John Locke, knowing that people trust and will follow him, thus helping the Smoke Monster to get off the island.

I think the writers made it a point to confuse the viewer as to the Smoke Monster's real identity by having the MIB want to leave the island as well.

... but this falls apart given that smokey has specifically stated he ONCE WAS FLESH AND BLOOD MAN and he also mentions his crazy mother... it seems pretty clear to me that the writers are trying to get across that the light turned mib into smokey.

Third Eye · 05-12-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

... but this falls apart given that smokey has specifically stated he ONCE WAS FLESH AND BLOOD MAN and he also mentions his crazy mother... it seems pretty clear to me that the writers are trying to get across that the light turned mib into smokey.

The problem with this is he lies to get what he needs. You can't take anything Flocke has said as gospel.

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

... but this falls apart given that smokey has specifically stated he ONCE WAS FLESH AND BLOOD MAN and he also mentions his crazy mother... it seems pretty clear to me that the writers are trying to get across that the light turned mib into smokey.

Exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzYtblIpPQY

**007** · 05-12-2010, 08:07 PM

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She couldn't be the/a Smoke Monster because she was flesh and blood when the MIB killed her.

The Smoke Monster we've seen (MIB/Flocke) isn't flesh and blood, so that theory is out the window.

Plus, we've never seen the Smoke Monster exhibit supernatural strength and power.

Just the power to kill.

Then why would Richard tell Sayid to stab Flocke in the back before he says a single word? I still think it plays that mother was killed by being stabbed in the back before she said a single word. Maybe if smokey is killed in such a way the form it is currently in becomes its permanent form. Maybe, upon being killed, smokey transfers back to the cave.

this is LOST so nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

Brock · 05-12-2010, 08:15 PM

Well, Dogen told him to do that, not Richard, and Dogen had been trying to kill Sayid to begin with.

**007** · 05-12-2010, 08:33 PM

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Well, Dogen told him to do that, not Richard, and Dogen had been trying to kill Sayid to begin with.

I couldn't remember. Regardless though, why introduce that statement if there wasn't something to it.

Chiefnj2 · 05-12-2010, 08:50 PM

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I couldn't remember. Regardless though, why introduce that statement if there wasn't something to it.

Wasn't Richard told to kill Jacob in the same manner? Yet (as far as we know) Jacob was alive at that point in time?

I don't think it's necessaril Smokey specific.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-12-2010, 09:24 PM

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I think the smoke monster is just another form of the person.. so becoming smokey doesn't change who you are or your motivations just what form you take. Which is why she could be a smokey dedicated to guarding while mib is still dedicated to his childhood wish to leave.

If you notice, smokey appears as himself later in time... the mom could be just appearing as herself the entire episode... (except off camera when she levels a village and fills a bunch of holes in a few hours)

And smokey doesn't inhabit bodies , he just takes the form of them.

But they were both corporeal.

When people shoot at Flocke or try to stab him, nothing happens. But MIB was slammed into a stone and died. The Mother was stabbed through the back and died. Both of their corpses lie in the cave.

I don't think it's possible to be a living, breathing human being AND be the Smoke Monster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-12-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

... but this falls apart given that smokey has specifically stated he ONCE WAS FLESH AND BLOOD MAN and he also mentions his crazy mother... it seems pretty clear to me that the writers are trying to get across that the light turned mib into smokey.

And think they are trying to confuse everyone.

Stating that he was once a man with a crazy mother doesn't necessarily mean that he's referring to the MIB and his mother.

It could just be more lies to keep Claire on his side.

keg in kc · 05-12-2010, 09:33 PM

They could go really nutso and have jacob go into the cave himself, and have him be both the smoke monster and the protector of the island (like his mother?) Then the dark side of him seeing a projection of his young self is something like a symbol of the humanity he's lost. Maybe one couldn't kill the other because he's both, and that's somehow proscribed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-12-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They could go really nutso and have jacob go into the cave himself, and have him be both the smoke monster and the protector of the island (like his mother?) Then the dark side of him seeing a projection of his young self is something like a symbol of the humanity he's lost. Maybe one couldn't kill the other because he's both, and that's somehow proscribed.

There may be something to that idea.

John Locke was supposedly told by Jacob to move the island. John never wanted to leave the island, as he loved it and thought he understood it. Once he moved the island, he was sent back to civilization, where Ben Linus killed him. Once dead, the Smoke Monster assumed his identity.

Now, was it the Smoke Monster acting as Jacob that told Locke to move the island, thus condemning him to death so that the Smoke Monster could assume his identity or was it the Smoke Monster himself pretending to be Jacob?

I have a feeling we'll never know.

patteeu · 05-12-2010, 11:49 PM

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Then why would Richard tell Sayid to stab Flocke in the back before he says a single word? I still think it plays that mother was killed by being stabbed in the back before she said a single word. Maybe if smokey is killed in such a way the form it is currently in becomes its permanent form. Maybe, upon being killed, smokey transfers back to the cave.

this is LOST so nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

I'm pretty sure he didn't specify the back.

My assumption is that he said to do it without a single word just because smokey is a bad mofo if you give him a chance to react, but you could be right.

patteeu · 05-12-2010, 11:52 PM

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There may be something to that idea.

John Locke was supposedly told by Jacob to move the island. John never wanted to leave the island, as he loved it and thought he understood it. Once he moved the island, he was sent back to civilization, where Ben Linus killed him. Once dead, the Smoke Monster assumed his identity.

Now, was it the Smoke Monster acting as Jacob that told Locke to move the island, thus condemning him to death so that the Smoke Monster could assume his identity or was it the Smoke Monster himself pretending to be Jacob?

I have a feeling we'll never know.

I guess the concept of "moving the island" and how anyone ever figured out how to do it is pretty likely to be left unexplained at this point.

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