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I'm on board with the idea that Jacob's brother is dead and smokey just took his form. Smokey can't kill Jacob because Jacob is the island's protector. Something about that prevents smokey from being able to kill Jacob or any of the candidates (remember when smokey saw dead Jacob, dead Jacob told him he couldn't kill Sawyer). Although I don't know how to reconcile that with his bomb killing Sun and Jin. Maybe the fact that he didn't make the bomb, and he used trickery to kill them like he had to do to kill Jacob.
It's not that smokey is MIB and MIB can't kill Jacob because they can't harm each other. "Mother" originally said they couldn't hurt each other, but we saw pretty clearly that Jacob could be the crap out of his brother and (in my mind) killed him. So that was just something "mother" said to allay their fears when MIB as a boy asked if they could hurt each other. I think she wanted to build up in their minds that other people are bad and dangerous and are a threat, and they (the two boys) are different, and they have a special role in life. Saying you can't hurt each other feeds that. But who knows, I could be wrong about that. Maybe she did somehow make it so they can't hurt each other, and when Jacob tried to kill MIB, he violated that, and triggered bad consequences. Still, I lean in the direction of MIB being dead and smokey being a separate entity who just took his form. I'm not sure about who leveled the village. I'm not buying that it was "mother" as smokey because I agree with Dane that smokey is impervious to physical attacks and "mother" clearly was not. But the writers definitely made you think it was "mother." So maybe it was "mother," and she is capable of that type of destruction when protecting the island. If your role is to live forever and protect the island and keep people from the light, I'm guessing that comes with some special abilities to help you in your protecting duties. I think if it was "mother," that doesn't necessarily make her smokey. For the question about how Jacob leaves the island to touch the candidates, I don't see why its so crazy to think that if other people can leave the island (like we've seen), he can, too. He just chooses to come back because he is the protector. And the island can be protected in his absence (or at least smokey can be prevented from leaving), as we've seen evidenced by the fact that smokey is still confined and Jacob is dead. I'm guessing that there are safeguards, like having a candidate present on the island, or maybe Richard Alpert. I have no idea how Jacob knew how to build the lighthouse and watch people's lives and make selections, though. I would like to see that answered, or I would at least to be given some stronger clues than to just be told that he could do it. Because that seems to be something "mother" couldn't do. She had to wait until her replacement came along fortuitously. Jacob is able to identify candidates and bring them to the island. As for the show not answering questions about Egyptian stuff and other ancient stuff, I don't really care about that. I figure they aren't going to give you concrete answers about every single thing. They just made it clear that whatever has been going on on the island has been happening for ages. We continue to learn about the island's properties, everyone's roles, etc. We can piece things together. I don't feel the need to know the exact specifics of who landed on the island and when and what they did. I think they are showing us enough about the island and its properties without answering all of that in explicit detail. I expect that when the show is completely over, they are not going to answer every single thing for us, but will give us enough that we can figure out things on our own. Or at least have some solid theories. I'll be happy with that. I think any show like this is tough because you can either leave some questions to be pondered, and disappoint people who wanted everything answered specifically, or you can attempt to answer everything, and disappoint the people who just aren't satisfied with the answers you give them. Personally, I'd rather have some things to think about and theorize about when it's all said and done than to be given answers that may just not be satisfying enough. I just hope the ending involves more stuff with Desmond and Farraday. Those are my favorite storylines in the show.
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Desmond is defintely central to whats happening at the end. Last time we saw him he was in the well that was where the light was. He's a central point in both timelines. Sayid sacrificed himself and told them about how to find Desmond.
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More proof that Austin and I are correct ,from an interview with Cuse and Darlton:
"We wanted to explain why the Man in Black had behaved the way that he does, and to show that like a lot of other characters on the show, he's the victim of very bad parenting. To reduce him to just a supernatural force, as opposed to a person, was not our intent. "Across the Sea" was our attempt to say, "Here's why Jacob feels the way he does about people, why the Man in Black feels the way he does about people," and a bit about their childhood. It's as simple as that and as complex as the themes of the show are."
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I just think it's way too simple to just say the MIB is dead, and the smoke monster just happened to emerge from the cave as he died. Personally, I think that scene becomes almost pointless unless the two are tied together. Why would the writers want to confuse the view as to smokey's real identity? They were already confused prior to this episode, as no origin story had ever been revealed - it was simply an unexplained "monster" that could take the form of dead bodies on the island. Further confusing that story doesn't add anything, IMHO. |
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I don't think that episode really showed us why Jacob feels the way he does about people. I don't think they had anything in that episode to give Jacob a reason to believe people are good. He finds out "mother" killed his actual mother and has been lying to him. His brother abandons him. His brother tells him that the other people in the island actually are selfish and greedy and malevolent. His brother then kills "mother." Then he kills his brother. What in that storyline explains why Jacob believes in humanity?
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1. Jacob doesn't get involved. 2. Smokey told us he was using Christian's form. 3. Christian tells Locke to turn the wheel. 4. It's Smokey (as Locke) that tells real Locke (through Richard) that he's going to have to die. The whole Locke moving the island thing was all part of Smokey's plan. It was all part of the "loophole." The way to kill Jacob. |
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There's never really been a definate answer to this. However, we've never seen Smokey appear as someone who has been buried. Also, there have been characters in the past that have insisted on buring bodies.
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They obviously didn't think MIB/Jacob through all that clearly. In an episode years ago (maybe the flashback) Jack said the clothes of Adam and Eve were about 50 years old. It ends up it is more like 2000 years old.
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wheres WALT??? my prediction is he is the corner stone to stopping MIB.. if i remember right didnt walt have a knack for kill things? like in earlier episodes in a flashback didnt he kill birds by making them fly into the window? and then his mom died and his step father didnt want him because he thought he was cursed or something.. and that is how michael ended up with him..
Just some food for thought.. and i thought i read somewhere that Walt was making an appearance this season!? hasnt happened yet.. |
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I would LOVE for Walt to show up again. Sorry for the hyperbole, but nothing would make me happier!
However, given last night's revelations, it seems like Desmond will have to be the one to destroy Smokey. That is, if Smokey is to be destroyed. Smokey seems born from the light in the cave, which is (as we know) some kind of electromagnetic energy. And only one character on the show has been able to withstand contact with large amounts of EM energy. Desmond. Jack might be the new protector, but I think Des will be the giant killer (so to speak). |
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I think Walt plays a part in the final...
Don't forget that many times we've been told (mainly by MIB and Jacob) that things keep happening the same way, history keeps repeating itself... no matter what happens. So, just as power over the island was moved from Jacob's mom to him... something happened prior to that, and something is about to happen again. I see this ending with another cycle beginning. And, I don't think it's going to be who we all think.. not Jack, not Hurley... I have no idea and I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised for the most part.
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IF the MIB was able to keep his identity intact after transforming into the The Smoke Monster, the producers have some explaining to do:
1. What is the "Light"? 2. Why is it dangerous? 3. IF the MIB were to escape the island, why would everything "cease to exist"? 4. Does the MIB KNOW that if he escapes, everything will "cease to exist" or is he only thinking of himself without considering the consequences? 5. Can the Smoke Monster be killed? 6. Why is Jacob allowed to freely come and go from the island to the rest of the world? At one time, I had faith in the producers that they would adequately reveal most of the mysteries of the island and that those mysteries would make logical sense. Now, I'm not so sure. This episode felt "tacked on" and in an effort to stay true to the rest of the series by "not revealing too much", I think they opened a can of worms that really displaces the mythology they've created over the past six years. |
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