Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The OL is always such a convenient excuse. The Packers and Steelers have won championships with OL's MUCH worse than ours.

Did you see the SNF package about Cutler getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds?

Considering we don't throw the ball down the field, AS should have no problem getting rid of the ball quickly.

The problem is, he's slow to make decisions, gets happy feet, and often runs himself into more trouble - though often running himself out of trouble.

I understand that people are happy with the 3-0 start - I am as well. I'm breaking my own rule and going to the game on Sunday.

But to act as if AS has been the reason we're winning, while ignoring his limitations is just sticking your head in the sand. It's OK to admit that we've been fortunate, and that we have some issues on offense. It doesn't make you a bad fan.

Rep

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

I like him but I don't think he will play all sixteen games running around cause he won't force the ball and/ or can't find the open receiver.
At some point it'll catch up with him and he will sit for an extended period.

Not havin the qb take a shit sack and turn the ball over every other play has been nice.

Gotta get Charles the rock early and often though.

Spot on, MO.

He can't keep running like this.

Make a decision, make it quickly and get rid of the ball.

Agree 100% with the JC comment as well. We've been fortunate to get away with waiting until the 4th quarter to try to runt he ball. Won't get away with that forever.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm breaking my own rule and going to the game on Sunday.

Heh, I'm tempted to go to the Broncos game depending on how things go between now and then, since they will have played the Giants, Texans, and the Broncos in Denver.

Still too early for me at this point though, to shell out over $100 (granted, I'd be driving across town, not the entire state).

I know it's easy to call us haters and "we'll never be happy," but it personally took me years to get the idea of watching every game every weekend out of my head and forcing myself not to waste money and time on tickets. I've jumped at the chance to do it a few times and it's bitten me in the ass, so in the meantime I'm happy with my HD and RedZone.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The reality is, if you play sound defense, special teams and win the turnover battle, you can play conservative offense and win a lot of games in the NFL. Fans love the hi flying offense, I get it...it's fun to watch, but you still won't win if you don't play sound, all around team football. Alex Smith isn't flashy, but he protects the football, and seems to make the critical throws most of the time.

I actually prefer smashmouth football to airing it out.
I firmly believe that a team that can win the battle in the trenches and find balance with passing game, along with a stout defense, can be a dominant powerhouse for years.

I also believe that taking 2 or 3shots a game down the field opens up vthings both on the ground and in the passing game.


If Reid adjusted his playcalling to play to the strength they've displayed late in each of the last 2 games, and added a couple of play action deep balls, this offense could be a formidable one.

[Messier]

As is usually the case, the people on both sides of the argument are accusing the other side of being one extreme or the other. Alex Smith isn't THE reason the Chiefs are 3-0, but he also isn't a non factor in it either. The truth is he's doing his part. I imagine he's doing exactly what he was brought here to do, play a ball control, mistake free game. Make a play when they need one, which he's done, and facilitate the offense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Heh, I'm tempted to go to the Broncos game depending on how things go between now and then, since they will have played the Giants, Texans, and the Broncos in Denver.

Still too early for me at this point though, to shell out over $100 (granted, I'd be driving across town, not the entire state).

I know it's easy to call us haters and "we'll never be happy," but it personally took me years to get the idea of watching every game every weekend out of my head and forcing myself not to waste money and time on tickets. I've jumped at the chance to do it a few times and it's bitten me in the ass, so in the meantime I'm happy with my HD and RedZone.

If Monty and his wife weren't going to be in town for the game, I'd be staying home as well. This is probably the best chance to meet up with them, and I'm currently on a 3 week break. Good timing.

[MOhillbilly]

The O sputters and doesn't look crisp til the club is ahead late and they start to run the ball.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

I actually prefer smashmouth football to airing it out.
I firmly believe that a team that can win the battle in the trenches and find balance with passing game, along with a stout defense, can be a dominant powerhouse for years.

I also believe that taking 2 or 3shots a game down the field opens up vthings both on the ground and in the passing game.


If Reid adjusted his playcalling to play to the strength they've displayed late in each of the last 2 games, and added a couple of play action deep balls, this offense could be a formidable one.

Good post, Milk.

Instead, we're trying to use PA when we haven't even tried to establish the run.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Messier

The truth is he's doing his part. I imagine he's doing exactly what he was brought here to do, play a ball control, mistake free game.

This.

As long as people are happy with this and don't expect more they'll be happy...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Messier

As is usually the case, the people on both sides of the argument are accusing the other side of being one extreme or the other. Alex Smith isn't THE reason the Chiefs are 3-0, but he also isn't a non factor in it either. The truth is he's doing his part. I imagine he's doing exactly what he was brought here to do, play a ball control, mistake free game. Make a play when they need one, which he's done, and facilitate the offense.

When you could take 15-20 QB's and place them in this situation - only have to make 2-3 plays a game because you have the benefit of a stifling defense, defensive scores, opponents fumbling punts, dropping sure INT's - and the team would likely still be 3-0?

That's pushing non-factor territory.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by milkman

I actually prefer smashmouth football to airing it out.
I firmly believe that a team that can win the battle in the trenches and find balance with passing game, along with a stout defense, can be a dominant powerhouse for years.

I also believe that taking 2 or 3shots a game down the field opens up vthings both on the ground and in the passing game.


If Reid adjusted his playcalling to play to the strength they've displayed late in each of the last 2 games, and added a couple of play action deep balls, this offense could be a formidable one.

Every team should take a few shots down the field every game just to take a chance of getting that 50 yard PI penalty. The risk/reward on those is off the charts.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Top 3 guys in passing yards a game this year... (drum roll)

P Manning
Rodgers
Brees

Obvously 3 guys your are only going to win a fantasy football champtionship with.

Gee, three guys, who each have one super bowl, and the year they won their super bowls, Peyton Manning, super bowl sealed by Kelvin Hayden and it was more the defense that won the super bowl, Aaron Rodgers, super bowl sealed by Picks by Bj Raji, and Nick Collins, and was more about the defense than the offense, and Drew Brees, who had a defense that created turnovers left and right, and was sealed by Tracy Porter on a mistake by forehead.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I love how "young QB" equals losses.

There's one who is 2-1 right now with a lesser defense and absolutely no talent around him on offense.

And whether it's right or wrong, I'd bet anything that Bowe would rather be 2-1 with 20+ catches than 3-0 getting ignored.

WR's are divas.

I really question if you have watched that Jets defense. It probably is every bit as good as the Chiefs. Especially in the front 7. they are hellacious. You couldn't go wrong arguing for the Chiefs Jets, or Seahawks defenses as the best in football right now.......No talent on offense though? Santonio Holmes is proving hes not dead yet, Stephen Hill has taken a gigantic step forward. Oh, and their oline is considered by some to be playing the best in football right now. But, lol, you don't want anyone to blame the oline in Kansas City, although Eric Fishers struggles are garnering national attention. Not to mention that if homers, would take their glasses off. Donny Avery is a number three on most good teams, Dwayne Bowe is being double covered, and the Chiefs really don't have one starting caliber tight end on their roster.......

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yep... if anything, someone could make that point for JC or someone like Tony Gonzales who's at the end of his career, but "years of development" might only mean a 2-3 seasons, and a defense like this can cover up a couple of interceptions.

I mean, you can't say "Smith just wins" while ignoring the 3 and outs from midfield and from inside the 10 in the first quarter last week AND say the team would be worse off if they had a QB who sacrificed a couple of INTs for stretching the field.

Everyone pretty much understood that the offense was going to be a work in progress before the season started, now on a short week, Fasano out, Eric Fisher looking completely lost, and the play calling itself was about 85 percent shot gun bullshit, and the play calling was horrendous. There was so much more to that game than the qb. Funny though. When the Chiefs committed to the run in the 4th quarter, sat Alex Smith under center, with Anthony Sherman in front of Charles, the offense looked GREAT. I think that play calling, and situational play calling especially needs to take some of the blame. Unless some how alex smith is at fault for Andy Reid calling for a shot gun option play to DEXTER mccluster from 4 yards out????

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

3500 yards and 20 TD's.

Pretty much exactly what his detractors said he'd be.

Even his supporters said that would be about where he was. hes not a stats guy. And again, other than Bowe and Charles who should the defense really focus on?

The Saints you have to cover Graham, Colston, and Sproles, and then Lance Moore kills you if you focus on those guys. The packers have Nelson, Cobb, Jermichael, then you just throw in James Jones and that's just a head ache. The offense has to find consistency, but placing this all at the feet of a qb who has not turned the ball over at all, and proven to be clutch when needed, is hilarious. Eli Manning, 0-3, Ben Roethlisberger 0-3, Kaep 1-2, Aaron Rodgers 1-2. Every single one of them, can take some blame to themselves because their turnovers, have hurt their teams.....

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The OL is always such a convenient excuse. The Packers and Steelers have won championships with OL's MUCH worse than ours.

Did you see the SNF package about Cutler getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds?

Considering we don't throw the ball down the field, AS should have no problem getting rid of the ball quickly.

The problem is, he's slow to make decisions, gets happy feet, and often runs himself into more trouble - though often running himself out of trouble.

I understand that people are happy with the 3-0 start - I am as well. I'm breaking my own rule and going to the game on Sunday.

But to act as if AS has been the reason we're winning, while ignoring his limitations is just sticking your head in the sand. It's OK to admit that we've been fortunate, and that we have some issues on offense. It doesn't make you a bad fan.

The packers oline when they won the super bowl, had long time left tackle, chad Clifton, and long time right tackle Tauscher. This is always funny to me.

The bears, have added Jermon Bushrod, and Kyle long, as well as an offensive genius to their offense. Not to mention Martellius Bennett, and they have forte, and a quality back up running back. They also can run out Earl Bennett as a security blanket for Jay Cutler, and I did all that without mentioning a top 5 wide receiver in Brandon Marshall.

[BigCatDaddy]

[QUOTE=Mavericks Ace;10018137]Gee, three guys, who each have one super bowl, and the year they won their super bowls, Peyton Manning, super bowl sealed by Kelvin Hayden and it was more the defense that won the super bowl, Aaron Rodgers, super bowl sealed by Picks by Bj Raji, and Nick Collins, and was more about the defense than the offense, and Drew Brees, who had a defense that created turnovers left and right, and was sealed by Tracy Porter on a mistake by forehead.

Just when I want to give you some credit you go and do this Geez, those guys ONLY have only won 1 SB each they had nothing to do with it. Obviously Alex could have taken those teams to the SB right?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by milkman

I actually prefer smashmouth football to airing it out.
I firmly believe that a team that can win the battle in the trenches and find balance with passing game, along with a stout defense, can be a dominant powerhouse for years.

I also believe that taking 2 or 3shots a game down the field opens up vthings both on the ground and in the passing game.


If Reid adjusted his playcalling to play to the strength they've displayed late in each of the last 2 games, and added a couple of play action deep balls, this offense could be a formidable one.

I completely agree. I really hope that he looked at the the film of Thursdays game, and saw what I think most people saw. The offense in the 4th quarter, is how this team will be best prepared to win. The run blocking was exceptional in the 4th quarter. Jamaal Charles ran harder than I have seen him run this year, and Anthony Sherman, for as much grief as people gave the chiefs for getting him, was blowing up dudes.....

[-King-]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The OL is always such a convenient excuse. The Packers and Steelers have won championships with OL's MUCH worse than ours.

Did you see the SNF package about Cutler getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds?

Considering we don't throw the ball down the field, AS should have no problem getting rid of the ball quickly.

The problem is, he's slow to make decisions, gets happy feet, and often runs himself into more trouble - though often running himself out of trouble.

I understand that people are happy with the 3-0 start - I am as well. I'm breaking my own rule and going to the game on Sunday.

But to act as if AS has been the reason we're winning, while ignoring his limitations is just sticking your head in the sand. It's OK to admit that we've been fortunate, and that we have some issues on offense. It doesn't make you a bad fan.

Oline isn't a convinient excuse. They've been horrible this season. Even Jamaal Charles doesnt look good in the first halves of games running behind them. The Oline is what's holding the team back.
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