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**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Would you give him 70 million in guarantees?

How about 80?

Where is your cut off point?

You already said you would give him 60...what's the difference between 60 and 70?

It's just Clarks money and the salary cap is made up, anyway.

I would give him $240M in guarantees to ensure his ability to import for years to come.

FFS, common sense on this board is a given. You really think Bowe and his agent are trying to set the standard for WR salaries in this league? You think anyone would believe that this is even halfway realistic?

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's like arguing with a manic person.

Lose one argument, start another unrelated argument.

Rinse, repeat, until you wear out the people making sense.

Glad to see you admitting past defeats.

**BossChief** · 07-17-2012, 10:40 PM

All in all, none of us actually know the actual details here of what Bowe is actually demanding and what Pioli is offering.

It's poiness to argue who is right or wrong when we don't even know the factual details of both sides.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 10:41 PM

Caption please.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

All he's got is an ambiguous paraphrased quote heard secondhand. LOL

? Schefter isn't a trustworthy source? Directly citing Fitz/Megatron contracts.

Again, what's more likely, Pioli doesn't want to pay Bowe 5/72, or Bowe wanting top 3 money?

All the evidence points to the latter.

Brock · 07-17-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

All in all, none of us actually know the actual details here of what Bowe is actually demanding and what Pioli is offering.

It's poiness to argue who is right or wrong when we don't even know the factual details of both sides.

Too bad you didn't tell us this 500 posts ago.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

All in all, none of us actually know the actual details here of what Bowe is actually demanding and what Pioli is offering.

It's poiness to argue who is right or wrong when we don't even know the factual details of both sides.

Then why are you asking about $60M?

Let's believe Bowe is asking for Fitz money; that sure as hell isn't $60M guaranteed.

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

Caption please.

"Son, I'm going to **** you."

**RealSNR** · 07-17-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

Caption please.

"This handjob is coming out of your next paycheck, Dwayne"

Brock · 07-17-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

? Schefter isn't a trustworthy source? Directly citing Fitz/Megatron contracts.

Again, what's more likely, Pioli doesn't want to pay Bowe 5/72, or Bowe wanting top 3 money?

All the evidence points to the latter.

What evidence? You can't even remember exactly what Schefter said, only that "it kinda sounded like he meant Bowe was asking for the moon".

**DeezNutz** · 07-17-2012, 10:46 PM

Oh, noez. He wants top-3 money and my CP calculations say that he should get only 36.785. ****.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 10:47 PM

I've paraphrased exactly what he said. You're the the one who is so hung up on it and won't go find it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Mike and Mike. Not only that but each and every comment Schefty and La Canfora have had on the matter have said as much. You choose not to accept it, not b/c it isn't obvious, but because your labia hurts. Do your own legwork.

If they've said as much, and you're so adamant about it, what's the problem with posting it?

You know, besides the fact that everyone has seen/heard the quotes and knows that Schefter is speculating, and that you're full of shit.

I believe the words he used on Mike and Mike were, "The Chiefs seem unwilling to pay a top WR, and Bowe seems to be looking for money in the general vicinity of what other top WR's have signed for."

"It seems" and "general vicinity" are pretty vague comments for someone who supposedly knows the details.

Lbedrock1 · 07-17-2012, 10:48 PM

The first thing I notice about that list is they all had elite QB's throwing to them.

**BossChief** · 07-17-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I would give him $240M in guarantees to ensure his ability to import for years to come.

FFS, common sense on this board is a given. You really think Bowe and his agent are trying to set the standard for WR salaries in this league? You think anyone would believe that this is even halfway realistic?

Pioli has shown to have the ability to get players signed to fair market deals since he got here.

Carr was "overpaid for" (Jerry Jones own words)
Schefter and LaCanfora both said Bowe is looking for Megatron/Fitz money

Hali was given 35 guaranteed, what makes you think Bowe wasn't given a fair offer?

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4661115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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