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Old 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM  
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How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle?
Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help...

BUT...

I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT".

My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Thoughts...
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:58 AM   #541
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I never expected Trent Green to stay healthy enough to actually lead the team to anything, and he pretty much proved me wrong for 5 years. I expected his knee to give out in his first season.

You never know....
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:15 PM   #542
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Croyle's injury history is my biggest concern. Then again, much of that seems to have been blown out of proportion. I'm not sure he's any more "injury prone" than the next guy. He may, however, just be one of those really unlucky peeps who, more often than not, finds himself in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets all twisted. Kind of like a one-eyed dog with a baloney tail in a crowded beaver house.

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I think what's been blown out of proportion are his injuries in the NFL.

I think that because of his HS/College history, people are reading to much into his recent issues and making it out like he's fragile. From what I read about the hit he took in HS that tore his ACL, it would have happened to ANYONE.

IIRC, it was the Oakland game where he suffered a bruised kidney early in the game, took a painkiller, and went back out and finished. I still think based on his college history, he would have played the following week, and the coaching/medical staff said no - and honestly, why risk anything?

Same with Detroit. He was probably going to be pulled to try and create a spark with Huard anyway. People act like the only reason he came out was due to injury. Again, at that point of the game, and season, why risk anything? Let Huard take some abuse.

The guy played the last 6 games of his Sophomore season at Alabama with a separated shoulder and 2 cracked ribs.

Toughness is not the issue here, IMO. Bad luck, and bad timing is.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:29 PM   #543
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I think what's been blown out of proportion are his injuries in the NFL.

I think that because of his HS/College history, people are reading to much into his recent issues and making it out like he's fragile. From what I read about the hit he took in HS that tore his ACL, it would have happened to ANYONE.

IIRC, it was the Oakland game where he suffered a bruised kidney early in the game, took a painkiller, and went back out and finished. I still think based on his college history, he would have played the following week, and the coaching/medical staff said no - and honestly, why risk anything?

Same with Detroit. He was probably going to be pulled to try and create a spark with Huard anyway. People act like the only reason he came out was due to injury. Again, at that point of the game, and season, why risk anything? Let Huard take some abuse.

The guy played the last 6 games of his Sophomore season at Alabama with a separated shoulder and 2 cracked ribs.

Toughness is not the issue here, IMO. Bad luck, and bad timing is.
We are in accord, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

Which is a whole lot better than being in a crowded beaver house. Especially the ones with the ridiculously low ceilings where you mash your noggin against a tree branch every time you try to stand up. A guy could get a very nasty scratch or even lose an eye if you're not careful. I figure that's why people think beavers are rude, but they're not, really. They just don't stand when a lady enters the room. And, who can blame them? A dizzy, blind beaver isn't good for much.

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Old 07-24-2008, 12:31 PM   #544
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We are in accord, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

Which is a whole lot better than being in a crowded beaver house. Especially the ones with the ridiculously low ceilings where you mash your noggin against a tree branch every time you try to stand up. A guy could get a very nasty scratch or even lose an eye if you're not careful. I figure that's why people think beavers are rude, but they're not, really. They just don't stand when a lady enters the room. And, who can blame them? A dizzy, blind beaver isn't good for much.

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Did I miss something? Some cross-thread humor, perhaps?

I've seen you mention this "crowded beaver house" several times now.

I'm much more concerned about Honeybadgers, myself.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:25 PM   #545
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The more I've thought about it, the more credit Huard and Croyle should get for what they accomplished.

Neither had the luxury of a decent offensive line or running game, so the defense knew that the only two realistic options were Bowe and Gonzalez.

Yet they had almost 2,200 yard between them.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:28 PM   #546
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The more I've thought about it, the more credit Huard and Croyle should get for what they accomplished.

Neither had the luxury of a decent offensive line or running game, so the defense knew that the only two realistic options were Bowe and Gonzalez.

Yet they had almost 2,200 yard between them.

have you been drinking?
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:35 PM   #549
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I would be more patient if he would gain some weight.
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I would be more patient if he would gain some weight.
I'm not picking on you, considering that a LOT of people here think his weight is an issue, but...

IMO, his weight has very little to do with his injury history.

Would 10 more pounds of bulk kept him from tearing an ACL?

Separating his shoulder?

Bruising his kidney?


If things like like are going to happen, they're going to happen, regardless of whether he weighs 215 or 225.
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Infusing the team with youth I can understand and its being done. The notion of building an NFL team when key players are with teams less than 3 years in this day and age is ridiculous. You could do that back in the 70's even the 80's but not now. The window is to short, you have to build a season. I am just repeating what I have heard many people say that are in the business. You have to win now.

I think it is stupid to think that our players are sharing the same thoughts that some fans are in saying that this is a building year and that they don't expect to be competitive.

I think your wrong.
You look at the teams that are consistently among the elite, they built thier teams in much the same way that the Chiefs are going about it right now.

The Chargers, the Colts, the Pats, The Rams of the late 90s, early 2000s.

I'm pretty sure that if you look at the Colts roster, every one of their starters are players that have never played in a game for another team.

Teams that try to remain competitive year after year through free agency are teams that are consistently inconsistent.
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You look at the teams that are consistently among the elite, they built thier teams in much the same way that the Chiefs are going about it right now.

The Chargers, the Colts, the Pats, The Rams of the late 90s, early 2000s.

I'm pretty sure that if you look at the Colts roster, every one of their starters are players that have never played in a game for another team.

Teams that try to remain competitive year after year through free agency are teams that are consistently inconsistent.
And regarding the Colts, they DEPEND on the draft. No high-priced free agents - they build with youth.

Trading Marshall Faulk? Seemed crazy until they drafted Edgerrin James and didn't miss a beat.

Then they let James WALK? People thought they were nuts, until they drafted Adaii, and won a SB with him.

They are brilliant when it comes to making the decision on who to re-sign, and who to let walk.
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