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02-12-2013, 09:30 PM | #5746 |
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02-12-2013, 09:43 PM | #5747 |
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I rolled over to the shaggybevo thread referenced earlier.
Why do people in Texas think Illinois is a big deal in St. Louis? Where are they getting that impression? I see it on multiple boards and am baffled at its origin. I lived in St. Louis for 5 years. There is an Illinois presence in the town, but it is not large and certainly not anywhere close to 1/2 the metro area or carrying the town. And the Illinois presence is shrinking. Funding issues at U of I have made it much less affordable, and fewer St. Louis-area high schoolers are going to Illinois. Meanwhile, Mizzou is attracting huge numbers of suburban kids out of Chicago because of the cost comparisons of the two schools. Willful ignorance, I guess...
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02-12-2013, 10:49 PM | #5748 |
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How many Illinois alumni are in St. Louis?
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02-12-2013, 11:09 PM | #5749 |
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Looks like 4,500 according to the UI Alumni Network. Sounds about right. And that's really not backed up by t-shirt fans much at all.
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SIU reports 12,000 alumni there. |
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02-12-2013, 11:35 PM | #5751 | |
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I wouldn't be shocked if there are more SIU alums in St. Louis than Illinois. It's the closest major city to SIU, and southern Illinois really fits Missouri culture much more than the Lake Michigan portion of the state (where all the population is). Illinois grads have Chicago as a primary beacon. Indianapolis is closer than St. Louis and Milwaukee is about as close, and they, like a lot of Big Ten schools, send a lot of grads to the East Coast. More options. I assume most universities have more alums in their "feeder" cities than reported by official alumni counts. Missouri's count in KC is low. So it wouldn't surprise me if there are more than 4500 U of I grads in St. Louis. But enough to make claims about Illinois splitting or "covering" St. Louis? No way.
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02-12-2013, 11:41 PM | #5752 |
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Fair enough. Mizzou reports 20,000 in Kansas City which seems like the same situation to Illinois there. I would bet there are 20-30,000 Illinois alums actually there. That site lists only 45,000 of them in Chicago and that seems impossibly low.
I point it out because the SEC claimed to capture KC' market with MU so to me, the same logic seems appropriate about the Big doing the same in St Louis. Some argued Nebraska brought KC to te Big and that make zero sense. I never, ever hear a peep about that conference living here. |
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You said "seems like the same situation to Illinois there" in reference to Mizzou in KC, and then estimate there are 5-6x as many Illinois alums in St. Louis as projected. If it's "the same situation" with underreporting, the Missouri numbers in KC would need to be multiplied by the same factor as the Illinois numbers in St. Louis.
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02-13-2013, 12:32 AM | #5755 |
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Missouri State's alumni total in KC is low as well. But with 40% of the metro in Kansas the numbers make sense for both MSU and MU. But with the MIAA schools fairly close to KC it hurts actual alumni numbers. KC kids have quite a bit of public schools to choose from close. STL doesn't really and that sends the big numbers to both MU and MSU. But the D2 school alums help feed the Wal-Mart t-shirt fan base which is needed.
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02-13-2013, 04:29 AM | #5756 | |
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DI is correct regarding UI and their lack of presence in Stl, it's an MU town, which stands to reason. As for why people in Tx think UI has a presence in Stl it's probably the same reason they all assume a Kansas Citian is from Kansas. Just ignorance. |
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02-13-2013, 04:34 AM | #5757 | |
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Kind of funny. And bizarre. |
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02-13-2013, 05:21 AM | #5758 |
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Excellent argument. Clearly this is the key thing here, not facts - but where "Duncan Idaho" has lived.
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KU reports non-grads in their alumni count (since the word "alumni" refers to any student) so you are very correct there. Mizzou has to be doing the same and here's why: They claim 20K in Kansas City, and another 60K in St Louis. That's equivalent to what KU reports in Kansas City. It makes sense that MIzzou's alum base would be more split between the two cities and that KU's woudl be heavily concentrated a half hour from their campus. Since KU=MU in enrollment for over 100 years, their alumni counts will be the same in aggregate. |
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