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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**Reaper16** · 06-04-2010, 09:03 AM

I'm halfway done with Season 2. I just dropped in to say that the episode "Fire + Water" is really terrible.

irishjayhawk · 06-04-2010, 09:10 AM

When you take the show as a whole (and the finale pretty much seals the deal), the first 3 seasons are completely different than the last 3. It's like MIB vs Jacob. It's two sides of the same coin. And they tell totally different aspects of the central tenant.

I'm more curious of how scathing Reaper will be during Season 3 when it was trying to find itself. Up until the last 5 episodes of S3, it's atrocious.

(Also, the score is fantastic, IMO. However, I can definitely see how you feel manipulated by it. I know I was but I was fine with it. Locke's score is by far and away the best.)

I agree about Holloway. I was just sad that he took a back seat in S4-6. Well, comparatively, anyway.

I have to disagree with Red Brooklyn on Lilly. She was okay in the first two seasons but then she was nothing but waste. I was rooting for her death since the end of Season 3.

**Reaper16** · 06-04-2010, 09:43 AM

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(Also, the score is fantastic, IMO. However, I can definitely see how you feel manipulated by it. I know I was but I was fine with it. Locke's score is by far and away the best.)

It is so heavy-handed to me within the episodes. Early on in Season 2 when Rose & Bernard, Sun & Jin and Micheal & Vincent are reunited was a great emotional moment. Then the loud, swelling strings start playing, acting like an obnoxious toddler who is trying to get attention from the grown-ups. The score treats me as if I am a reerun.

**Baby Lee** · 06-05-2010, 01:53 PM

How the **** did I miss out on this. Go Jeffie!!

FTR, at the time of the pic, he was 56, she 21.

And Earth Girls are Easy was on the Silver Screen the day she was born!!

And to think, it was just last year he died in the mountains of New Zealand.

**007** · 06-05-2010, 02:42 PM

What does that have to do with LOST?

**noa** · 06-05-2010, 02:52 PM

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What does that have to do with LOST?

That's the actress who played Alex in Lost.

**007** · 06-05-2010, 02:58 PM

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That's the actress who played Alex in Lost.

OK, didn't recognize her.

**Reaper16** · 06-06-2010, 08:52 PM

Season 2, more than anything, felt like a show that aired during the height of the Iraqi invasion. A War on Terror mindset permeates through the season; so much of the drama revolves around the mystery of who has the power, where are the enemies and what are the costs and implications of one's actions. This parallel w/ real life is best exemplified by the most dramatic story arc of the season - the detainment of "Henry Gale," whom I already knew to be Ben Linus, a member of The Others. Michael Emerson nails the shit out of his character in this season.

For the most part the flashback scenes in this feel too much like filler. In fact a good chunk of each episode's B and C stories feels like filler. Lost is a show with a gigantic ensemble cast. They have to provide material for the whole ensemble, even when it means devoting a terrible episode of TV to Charlie ('Fire + Water'). The only flashbacks that were not an irrelevant waste of time were: 1.) Any flashbacks of characters that didn't already have some (Eko, Ana-Lucia, Rose & Bernard), 2.) The connections between Ana-Lucia & Christian Shepard and between Eko & Claire's psychic reinforce the idea that the survivors were brought to the island for a reason, 3.) Kate's (useful new info) 4.) Sawyer's ('cuz "The Long Con" was such an entertaining episode. The rest were filler. I mean, Jesus, Hurley's flashback was ludicrous because it was boring, obviously irrelevant to the story and introduced the plot point of Libby being in the asylum w/ Hurley (only to have Libby die like one or two episodes later). WTF?

Speaking of which, the plot twist of Micheal shooting Ana-Lucia and Libby was well-done because of its total unexpectedness.

Actually, now that I think about it, the Charlie shit in "Fire + Water" does serve some purpose - it reinforces, along with Mr. Eko's story, the thematic importance of brothers. I suspect this theme will continue to play a big part leading up to the Jacob/M.I.B. brothers situation. I hope so anyway.

Also, Claire's psychic revealed himself to be a fraud? Why? Was it so that people would stop wondering why it was so imperative that Claire protect Aaron? If so then it doesn't make sense because he acted so strongly - harassing Claire multiple times - on behalf of his premonition. Either he's not a hack psychic and has real clairvoyance or he is afraid of the spiritual nature surrounding his daughter's "miracle."

Also, why do The Others want Aaron so badly? Or any children for that matter? Will this sickness that people need to be vaccinated come up as an important plot point? I've heard that it doesn't but they have certainly spent a lot of time on this plot point.

Back to the hack psychic's possible fear of the spiritual - that episode (titled "?") strikes me as very important. For one, Locke and Eko discover the Pearl station, which reveals the Swan station as nothing more than a psychological experiment. But the Pearl station seems like an experiment too, since those notebooks likely only travel up the tubes to an abandoned dumping ground. Just what the Hell is Dharma actually studying on this island, anyway? Also, the miracle girl tells Eko that she saw Eko's brother "between places." Was she in her own Flash-Sideways? This is the first mention in the series that there is a "between places" that one can be in; the seeds of spirituality seem to be more well-sown than some critics have thought. Too bad Eko doesn't stick around long as a character (I know it was because Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje wanted off the show). This episode introduced this idea that Locke and Eko (Men of Faith) were somehow linked in dream or thought or psychic state or something; them being able to dream things only the other would know and all. It is a shame that the plot point won't be able to go anywhere.

Anyone else think that Jack is a dickbag?

Pretty epic finale. It provided resolution while opening up the rabbit hole to large new expanses. I can't wait to find out just what happened when Desmond turned the key on the failsafe. Also, why and how Penelope knows to connect electromagnetic anomalies with Desmond. Curious stuff.

Ultimately the season had some big storytelling flaws. It introduced a lot of shit that feels like red herrings, which is the mark of poor storytelling. The strong moments were really strong and the season was good more often than it was not-good.

**Reaper16** · 06-07-2010, 07:36 AM

Also, I can't wait for more characters to die. This show has too large an ensemble and, moreover, has characters that I care nothing about taking screentime from the characters I do. I'm sick of Charlie - he's given nothing to do but be unfunny and be totally unrealistically impervious to relapse. I'm sick of Claire - everytime I see her on screen I first groan and then lament that I could be watching a Sayid or Sawyer or Eko scene instead but noooooooooo, I've got to watch a poor actress play an annoying woman instead.

**Buck** · 06-07-2010, 11:21 AM

Just quit man. It's painfully obvious you don't like it.

**Reaper16** · 06-07-2010, 11:28 AM

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Just quit man. It's painfully obvious you don't like it.

I was hoping to generate some discussion. What I wasn't hoping to do was get stupid posts like that one. I'm finding more to like than I thought I was going to and at no point so far has watching Lost felt like a chore. I've been enjoying myself.

**SAUTO** · 06-07-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I was hoping to generate some discussion. What I wasn't hoping to do was get stupid posts like that one. I'm finding more to like than I thought I was going to and at no point so far has watching Lost felt like a chore. I've been enjoying myself.

i didnt agree with buck at all. thats not what i got from reading your posts

patteeu · 06-07-2010, 11:50 AM

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i didnt agree with buck at all. thats not what i got from reading your posts

This is Reaper's way of setting it up though. Before it's over he'll be upset that he wasted his self-overvalued time on watching it and he'll look down his nose at any of the tasteless bastards who even remotely liked the overall series. In fact, he might even end up telling us that it doesn't technically qualify as a TV series because of some obscure criteria and he'll insist that it be called a longform mini-series or something like that.

j/k Reaper

**Buck** · 06-07-2010, 11:51 AM

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I was hoping to generate some discussion. What I wasn't hoping to do was get stupid posts like that one. I'm finding more to like than I thought I was going to and at no point so far has watching Lost felt like a chore. I've been enjoying myself.

You sure nitpick a lot about the show. It's going to be hard to generate discussion about shit we all saw 4 or 5 years ago.

**Buck** · 06-07-2010, 11:55 AM

Also I loved the show the way it was. Charlie is my favorite character. Most of the flashbacks will be referenced to later on so they aren't useless.

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06-04-2010, 09:10 AM	#5852
irishjayhawk Feelin' Alright Join Date: Aug 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	When you take the show as a whole (and the finale pretty much seals the deal), the first 3 seasons are completely different than the last 3. It's like MIB vs Jacob. It's two sides of the same coin. And they tell totally different aspects of the central tenant. I'm more curious of how scathing Reaper will be during Season 3 when it was trying to find itself. Up until the last 5 episodes of S3, it's atrocious. (Also, the score is fantastic, IMO. However, I can definitely see how you feel manipulated by it. I know I was but I was fine with it. Locke's score is by far and away the best.) I agree about Holloway. I was just sad that he took a back seat in S4-6. Well, comparatively, anyway. I have to disagree with Red Brooklyn on Lilly. She was okay in the first two seasons but then she was nothing but waste. I was rooting for her death since the end of Season 3. __________________ "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half the people in the world are stupider than that." --George Carlin
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06-05-2010, 01:53 PM	#5854
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	How the **** did I miss out on this. Go Jeffie!! FTR, at the time of the pic, he was 56, she 21. And Earth Girls are Easy was on the Silver Screen the day she was born!! And to think, it was just last year he died in the mountains of New Zealand. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8249900	Just quit man. It's painfully obvious you don't like it.
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06-07-2010, 11:55 AM	#5865
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8249900	Also I loved the show the way it was. Charlie is my favorite character. Most of the flashbacks will be referenced to later on so they aren't useless.
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