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Old 04-30-2007, 10:58 PM  
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Did yoiu guys see the ecw guys on raw getting pissed that vince won the ecw belts and tommy speaking from his heart. I so want to see them kill vince soul tomorrow.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:28 AM   #46
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That's because........take a quick look at the indies.......if you are 6'1 and have any frame you look big.
Not really what I was talking about. Point I was making is that guys used to be in wrestling because they loved it, and could make a little money doing it if they were really good. Now, instead of trying to impress the WWE by working their way up, the WWE has to go out and recruit guys, pay those guys so that they'll train, and in the end they end up with a bunch of guys who are in wrestling for the money, guys who know virtually nothing about the history or what it takes to work a match.

There are obvious exceptions of course. But I think that's part of the problem right now.

And that's not to say that those guys don't deserve every cent that they can make.

There's things that can be done. I know in OVW they're started teaching classes that are basically 'history of wrestling'.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:29 AM   #47
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Chris Benoit would look huge on the indies........

There are guys on the indies that are just so small, you better be really really special if you are small like Rey Mysterio.

You don't have to be massive to make it in WWE but you need to be bigger than 5'8 190.......there are indy guys all over the place that look like Jack Evans who looks like any random joe you can see walking down the street.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:31 AM   #48
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Not really what I was talking about. Point I was making is that guys used to be in wrestling because they loved it, and could make a little money doing it if they were really good. Now, instead of trying to impress the WWE by working their way up, the WWE has to go out and recruit guys, pay those guys so that they'll train, and in the end they end up with a bunch of guys who are in wrestling for the money, guys who know virtually nothing about the history or what it takes to work a match.

There are obvious exceptions of course. But I think that's part of the problem right now.

And that's not to say that those guys don't deserve every cent that they can make.

There's things that can be done. I know in OVW they're started teaching classes that are basically 'history of wrestling'.
They're more guilty of doing it with women than men........they hire numerous models every year.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:33 AM   #49
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I'm not saying they need to bring up indy guys. I'm saying they need to find a way to get the gym rats and bodybuilders who are looking for a quick buck to learn the basics of wrestling...

Right now we've got a lot of guys like Batista and Cena and Carlito that have the look and the ability to work the mike, but completely lack basic in-ring skills. Although Cena has improved, gradually (working long-term with Edge and then Michaels will do that). Carlito still can't work the ropes to save his life. I actually enjoy watching his matches because they're hilariously bad.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:34 AM   #50
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I read a newspaper article about MVP this weekend that earned him some kudos from me, and I already liked him. He talked about really being passionate about a good wrestling match and wanting to deliver great matches. He talked about having tapes of his 3 favorite wrestlers -- Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Dean Malenko -- in constant rotation in his VCR. Cool stuff.

I'd love to see the pendulum swing away from big, body builder types w/ impressive physique but non impressive ring work to guys who can plain wrestle a match, "small" or not.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:35 AM   #51
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They're more guilty of doing it with women than men........they hire numerous models every year.
I don't think the majority of guys (indy wrestlers they hire and send to OVW are the exception) they bring in are anything more than the male equivalent of models.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:36 AM   #52
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You know........Carlito's dad was a wrestler and he worked in his promotion in Puerto Rico for quite a long time before the WWE signed him........

Carlito isn't bad because he wasn't trained or taught or doesn't understand..........he legit has no passion for wrestling. That promo Flair cut on him was quasi shoot that's what alot of people think of him. I've heard some people speak on him where they basically said he was forced into wrestling by his dad cause he needed a guy when it was really something he never wanted to do, so he's kind of rolling with it......

He also HATES being a face with a passion and publicly bitched about that too......he doesn't exactly have good standing in the company......

His brother is the one with the actual passion for wrestling.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:38 AM   #53
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I read a newspaper article about MVP this weekend that earned him some kudos from me, and I already liked him. He talked about really being passionate about a good wrestling match and wanting to deliver great matches. He talked about having tapes of his 3 favorite wrestlers -- Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Dean Malenko -- in constant rotation in his VCR. Cool stuff.

I'd love to see the pendulum swing away from big, body builder types w/ impressive physique but non impressive ring work to guys who can plain wrestle a match, "small" or not.
I agree. That's the shame about TNA, really, because if they really were into the whole "we are wrestling" concept, they have a roster full of really, really good workers. But they're buried under all the bs.

I didn't like MVP a few months ago. He's grown on me. He impressed me in his match at wrestlemania and then has looked good again with Benoit.

Course, there is that. Benoit. What'll MVP look like when he's not working with Benoit? But that's how you learn.

They do have some young guys that I think could be big in time.

Then again, there's guys they have like Shelton Benjamin, that for whatever reason they bury.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:39 AM   #54
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I read a newspaper article about MVP this weekend that earned him some kudos from me, and I already liked him. He talked about really being passionate about a good wrestling match and wanting to deliver great matches. He talked about having tapes of his 3 favorite wrestlers -- Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Dean Malenko -- in constant rotation in his VCR. Cool stuff.

I'd love to see the pendulum swing away from big, body builder types w/ impressive physique but non impressive ring work to guys who can plain wrestle a match, "small" or not.
I like MVP also but see you have to get though when you say "bigger bodybuilder types" the WWE has never had a problem pushing a guy MVP's size, he's 6'3 245lbs, he's a good sized man. He works hard and obviously wants to improve........I remember when he worked a squash match on TNA and got killed against Monty Brown, wrestling under his real name Antonio Banks......I doubt many people saw MVP in those days........

Fun Fact MVP did 9 years in prison for armed robbery........
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:40 AM   #55
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Carlito isn't bad because he wasn't trained or taught or doesn't understand..........he legit has no passion for wrestling.
That's my whole point. All these guys are trained and taught. The trick is making them care.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:41 AM   #56
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I agree. That's the shame about TNA, really, because if they really were into the whole "we are wrestling" concept, they have a roster full of really, really good workers. But they're buried under all the bs.

I didn't like MVP a few months ago. He's grown on me. He impressed me in his match at wrestlemania and then has looked good again with Benoit.

Course, there is that. Benoit. What'll MVP look like when he's not working with Benoit? But that's how you learn.

They do have some young guys that I think could be big in time.

Then again, there's guys they have like Shelton Benjamin, that for whatever reason they bury.
Benjamin is burried for the same reason Carlito is......they think he's lazy and has no passion. In the WWE if you show no desire to reach out and take it they won't push you. They think Benjamin has the sit back and they'll eventually push me attitude, until he works hard and shows he wants and gives them a reason to push him they won't.....

TNA is basically WWE Jr, with worse storylines and even fewer guys people care about.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:42 AM   #57
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That's my whole point. All these guys are trained and taught. The trick is making them care.
That's what happens when you end up a wrestler because of your dad when it isn't something you really wanted to do.......
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Yeah, I knew that was the reasoning behind Benjamin's burial, I just haven't seen in-ring evidence of it the way 99% of Carlito's matches show it. I don't get it with Benjamin. But...I'm not backstage.
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Yeah, I knew that was the reasoning behind Benjamin's burial, I just haven't seen in-ring evidence of it the way 99% of Carlito's matches show it. I don't get it with Benjamin. But...I'm not backstage.
While MVP gets kudos from management for watching tapes to get better........Benjamin is playing video games. They actually had to ban video games backstage because of him, it was all he would do.

I think they've given alot of guys chances, I haven't seen anyone get burried for no reason in awhile......
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I just hope The Miz isn't the future of the business.
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