All Star Snubs... - Page 4

Carlota69 · 07-01-2007, 01:26 PM

Which Snub disgusts you the most?

Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels.

Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'.

OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48
Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38

Fielding

OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league)

Jeter--.966 12 errors

I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter...

kcxiv · 07-01-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 88TG88

Didn't really catch the AL but the NL seems good. Underrated Saito made it in and Russ Martin should start. Not bad

Saito has been dominating with his slider. His slider is sick. Russel is probably the best catcher in the NL. Cant say all of baseball til Pudge retires. They need to change the Golden Glove award to his name.

Miles · 07-01-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

Did Barry do that? I honestly didn't know if he did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594

Dr. Johnny Fever · 07-01-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594

Oh yea... I did know about that.

Miles · 07-01-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

Good call on the stats, Carlota - When was the last year Jeter actually deserved his spot I wonder?

He posted pretty impressive offensive stats last season and it was probably the best year of his career a the plate. He is off to a pretty damn good start this season by not quite the pace as last. Guillen should probably be starting over him though.

**alnorth** · 07-01-2007, 06:26 PM

Derek Jeter zone ratings, last 7 years

2001: Dead Last, 23 out of 23 qualified SS's, .789 (Rey Sanchez of Atlanta and KC was 1st)
2002: 2nd-to-Last, 26 out of 27, .803 (A-Rod was 1st)
2003: Dead Last, 22 out of 22, .791
2004: Finally Near League Average!, 11 out of 23, .847 (Angel Berroa of KC was Dead Last)
2005: Below average, neck-and-neck with Berroa, 16 out of 24, .830
2006: 5th from the bottom, 2 better than Berroa, 20 out of 24, .810
2007 to date: Dead Last, 27 out of 27, .756

RJ · 07-01-2007, 06:30 PM

How much argument can there be with a guy hitting .335 along with a .407 OBP making the All Star team? You can make a case for some other guys but you sure can't say Jeter is undeserving.

BWillie · 07-01-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

How much argument can there be with a guy hitting .335 along with a .407 OBP making the All Star team? You can make a case for some other guys but you sure can't say Jeter is undeserving.

You can't with Bonds either. .304 with 16 jacks. Those are All-Star #'s. He has been hitting really well last 2 weeks.

RJ · 07-01-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Derek Jeter zone ratings, last 7 years

2001: Dead Last, 23 out of 23 qualified SS's, .789 (Rey Sanchez of Atlanta and KC was 1st)
2002: 2nd-to-Last, 26 out of 27, .803 (A-Rod was 1st)
2003: Dead Last, 22 out of 22, .791
2004: Finally Near League Average!, 11 out of 23, .847 (Angel Berroa of KC was Dead Last)
2005: Below average, neck-and-neck with Berroa, 16 out of 24, .830
2006: 5th from the bottom, 2 better than Berroa, 20 out of 24, .810
2007 to date: Dead Last, 27 out of 27, .756

How many fans are punching their ballots based on defensive stats? Personally, I don't think they should be. Fans want to see a game where both teams go out there and light it up.

tk13 · 07-01-2007, 06:35 PM

He probably isn't as good defensively as he gets credit for. But that said, if it was the 7th game of the World Series, bases loaded, 2 outs, tie game in the 9th inning... Jeter is probably one of the top 2-3 guys I'd want up there.

**alnorth** · 07-01-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

How much argument can there be with a guy hitting .335 along with a .407 OBP making the All Star team? You can make a case for some other guys but you sure can't say Jeter is undeserving.

Well, I was mostly responding to the whole "Derek is a good fielder" myth.

As far as an All-Star, it depends on how important defense really is. I might argue that Carlos Guillen should start with his .954 OPS and better fielding, but Jeter is right behind him with the stick at an .881 OPS. Behind Jeter, theres a big drop-off on offense, so I'm not complaining too much about him starting the All-Star game ahead of Guillen. Defense really isnt all THAT important, but in a defense discussion, it really needs to be recognised that Derek Jeter flat-out sucks, and he makes up for this suckiness with his offense and "leadership".

I'd still take Jeter over Tony Pena Jr for his bat in the lineup, he's good enough to be kind of servicable as a shortstop. I'd just be ready to sub him out when we have the lead on the road in the bottom of the 9th for someone who knows what the hell he's doing on the infield.

**alnorth** · 07-01-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

He probably isn't as good defensively as he gets credit for. But that said, if it was the 7th game of the World Series, bases loaded, 2 outs, tie game in the 9th inning... Jeter is probably one of the top 2-3 guys I'd want up there.

If he's up to bat, absolutely. If he's on the field, bring in the all-glove no-bat defensive specialist, and pat Jeter on the back on his way to the bench.

dj56dt58 · 07-01-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, I call shenanigans on that one.

Of course, that is the only place ON EARTH that he won't get booed.

I had a feeling it would happen though

Demonpenz · 07-01-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

If he's up to bat, absolutely. If he's on the field, bring in the all-glove no-bat defensive specialist, and pat Jeter on the back on his way to the bench.

I would have to disagree even if he has below par range he has the experience, knowledge to make correct plays at the correct time. You have a guy with 50 plus post season games under his belt there isn't a person I would trust more making throwing to the correct base, chasing down a runner, turning a dp etc. Stats be damned. On top of that the guy has the knack of coming up huge.

Carlota69 · 07-01-2007, 10:51 PM

I agree that Carlos Guillen should be in the AS game, starter or reserve, he deserves to be there. However, Cabrera has better offensive numbers, than Jeter, and fairly close to equal of Guillen for the most part (And everyone wants to talk offense) and he only have 4 errors, the highest fielding percentage in the AL for SS. Cabrera at the minimum, should be a reserve.

And this whole thing about Jesus Jeter winning the gold glove the past few years, one of them OC had better fielding numbers. But Jesus Jeter had better offensive numbers, So obviously offense plays into the gold glove situation...

Mojo Rising · 07-01-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I forgot... when did Barry Bonds test positive for steroids?

Heh.

When his hat and shoe size grew 2 sizes in his late 30's.

That was the only test the did at the time. Still don't have one for hgh which he still does.

In the end it doesn't matter because he hasn't won a championship. In fact, the SF Giants have never won one. The Marlins have won 2, Diamondbacks 1...Giants none.

Rumor has it that the reason he lives in Beverly Hills is so that he can be closer to the Dodgers trophies!

07-01-2007, 01:26 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	All Star Snubs... Which Snub disgusts you the most? Mine is Orlando Cabrera--SS--LA Angels. Not only is he not going to start the AS Game, but he may not even be there. His numbers at the plate are equal if not better than Jeters'. OC--Avg...338 5 HR OBP .835 RBI 48 Jeter Avg...335 5 HR OBP .408 RBI 38 Fielding OC --.998 4 errors (#1 in the league) Jeter--.966 12 errors I'm so irritated by the voting process and all these talking heads saying that Jeter should be the starter...
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07-01-2007, 06:26 PM	#50
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Derek Jeter zone ratings, last 7 years 2001: Dead Last, 23 out of 23 qualified SS's, .789 (Rey Sanchez of Atlanta and KC was 1st) 2002: 2nd-to-Last, 26 out of 27, .803 (A-Rod was 1st) 2003: Dead Last, 22 out of 22, .791 2004: Finally Near League Average!, 11 out of 23, .847 (Angel Berroa of KC was Dead Last) 2005: Below average, neck-and-neck with Berroa, 16 out of 24, .830 2006: 5th from the bottom, 2 better than Berroa, 20 out of 24, .810 2007 to date: Dead Last, 27 out of 27, .756 __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9955202	How much argument can there be with a guy hitting .335 along with a .407 OBP making the All Star team? You can make a case for some other guys but you sure can't say Jeter is undeserving.
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07-01-2007, 06:35 PM	#54
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1452500	He probably isn't as good defensively as he gets credit for. But that said, if it was the 7th game of the World Series, bases loaded, 2 outs, tie game in the 9th inning... Jeter is probably one of the top 2-3 guys I'd want up there.
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07-01-2007, 10:51 PM	#59
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	I agree that Carlos Guillen should be in the AS game, starter or reserve, he deserves to be there. However, Cabrera has better offensive numbers, than Jeter, and fairly close to equal of Guillen for the most part (And everyone wants to talk offense) and he only have 4 errors, the highest fielding percentage in the AL for SS. Cabrera at the minimum, should be a reserve. And this whole thing about Jesus Jeter winning the gold glove the past few years, one of them OC had better fielding numbers. But Jesus Jeter had better offensive numbers, So obviously offense plays into the gold glove situation...
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