Do you believe in Ghosts? - Page 4

chiefs_freak · 04-28-2002, 07:54 PM

well i have been thanking about this topic for a while now and im going to do a survey on it. Do you guys believe in ghost? are they real or fake? Have you ever incountered one? plus i thought this would be a fun post. please tell!

Frazod · 04-28-2002, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Grimm

You know if anyone could scare the dead....it would be fraz!!

Take it to heart, guys - Grimm's met me

Ultra Peanut · 04-28-2002, 10:20 PM

This is a really bad thread to read at 11 PM. Now I'm not going to go to sleep until 5 or 6 AM.

I don't really know what to think on the issue, which is basically my position on UFO's, too. A lot is probably

or a misunderstanding of some sort, but some of it's gotta be true, too. And that's just freaky.

Frazod · 04-28-2002, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Psicosis
This is a really bad thread to read at 11 PM. Now I'm not going to go to sleep until 5 or 6 AM.

I was thinking the same thing.

Hope my "entity" isn't reading this shit over my shoulder and thinking I need a lesson in respect tonight....

BigOlChiefsfan · 04-28-2002, 10:26 PM

The Johnson County Industrial Airport in Olathe is haunted by unexplained noises, strange sounds, whistling and phantom footsteps. They have plagued Hangar 43 for more than 50 years and employees and staff members have dubbed the elusive spirit who haunts the place the "Commander". They believe that he may have been one of the 54 men killed at the navy flight training base, which was located there in 1942.

(from ghosts of kansas)

I went to high school in Olathe 25 years ago and there was a railroad crossing a mile or 2 north of town (now part of the suburban sprawl) that we called 'Smokey Chains'. Guys would take their dates there late at night and tell about the "train wrecked car-on-a-crossing, chain-dragging ghost of 'smoky chains", knowing full well that the late freight train came thru town at 11:20 or whenever, blowing it's whistle as it came into town, and long before it got close the tracks at the crossing would start to jump and click...making the sound of chains clanking.
No idea why it happened, but I was as big of a dog as anybody. Get your date good and scared and she's likely to cling to ya all the rest of the night. Give 'em an excuse to get close and clinging and you're halfway home.

All's fair in love and war. Even chains, trains and automobiles.

Mr. Christopher · 04-28-2002, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by NaptownChief
As a non-religious person I tend to find it funny that people on one hand will fight you over the existence of something in which there is no earthly proof of its existence and will then turn around and fight against something else that falls into a similar category. Hopefully you can respect that also...

I appreciate your honesty.

I wondered if that might have been your reason for asking. I can see the contradiction, but I can't really explain the difference. I think it is all in the definition of what a ghost is. Is it a spirit that seeks to wreak havoc on the earth? Or is it simply a glorified spirit (such as Mr. Grimm's example of the spirit of Christ walking the earth after his death)?

Anyway, I can understand where you are coming from, and I find it hard to explain the difference. Also, as I said, I am not shutting the door on the possibility of ghosts entirely, but I have had no personal experience which leads me to believe that there are.

And yes, I respect your view.

Valiant · 04-28-2002, 10:33 PM

ahahhahaahha

maybe its some slutty indian whore who is a sexual freak...ya never know.......

BigOlChiefsfan · 04-28-2002, 10:39 PM

One last bit of local lore, 'Sallie' the Heartland Ghost:

The Heartland Ghost from 'Sightings'

keg in kc · 04-28-2002, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Valiant
the only thing that really freaks me about ghost is..

are they watching me when im having sex or jerking off...and i cant even charge em a fee...

How about if they're jerking off or having sex...

Gives a whole new meaning to "ectoplasmic goo."

**morphius** · 04-28-2002, 10:42 PM

BOCF - I wonder how close that is to where I live!!!

Morphius
Shouldn't be reading crap like this at this hour, dumby...

Frazod · 04-28-2002, 10:43 PM

That book on the Ghosts of Wyoming was a very entertaining read, especially the part about the base I've been to. The house I stayed at was by no means the most haunted building, either.

The old hospital from the cavalry days was later converted into security headquarters for the base. All kinds of unexplained shit went on there, including actual sightings and the ghost of a doctor who would change the channel on the remote control to Lifetime Channel, which has lots of medical shows. The reports of these incidents were made by Air Force security personnel, not exactly your run-of-the-mill nutjobs. The security guys at F. E. Warren, among other things, guard nuclear missile silos. I would think mental and emotional stability would be sort of important for people who do that sort of thing (at least I hope so).

Anyway, my friend told me that several years ago the CO of the base decided he'd heard enough and decided to spend the night in the security building to proove once and for all that there was nothing going on there. Now, he never told any of his subordinates what he experienced that night, but he immediately ordered the security headquarters moved to another building and inquired about having the building DEMOLISHED. As this building is also over a century old and on the historic landmark registry, his request was denied. So instead he boarded it up, and it was still boarded up when I last saw it in 1996.

Probably a good thing.

Ultra Peanut · 04-28-2002, 10:59 PM

**RNR** · 04-28-2002, 11:16 PM

I still have ghosts from Marty back in the 90s!

Chieficus · 04-28-2002, 11:16 PM

Believe in ghosts? No.

Why? Much the same reason as IA--you die and you're either in heaven or hell. (Someone made the comment earlier about how that relates to Jesus appearing after His death, saying it was a spiritual appearance. Well, Biblically, Jesus rose from the dead physically. His spirit just didn't leave the grave, His entire body did, but that's a completely different subject).

So what do I think "ghosts" are?

1) Psychological manipulations.

This can be brought on by hypnotic events caused by these people who claim to be in communication with the dead.

People who have a predisposition to believe will be more likely to have an "experience" based upon self-made psychological states. The mind decieves itself.

Then there are simply the issues of waking dreams. I have a friend who has seen all sorts of things at night. I myself have awoke to the room flashing various colors and figures walking around. In our discussions of this stuff, we've discovered a common link between our "seeing stuff" and going to bed extremely tired while not being able to get a good nights rest. The body wakes up, but the mind stays connected partially to it's dream patterns and things from the sub-conscious are merely super-imposed upon reality for a brief period of time.

Also, certain personality types have a characteristic of being able to easily manipulate a story into their reality and not realize it.

2) Natural phenomena

As a meteorology major, I well know that the weather does weird things (outside of our normal sense of weird--like snow in may). You get the lapse rates just right and it will bend light in such a way that head lights from a car will appear in the sky many miles away. That's been the cause of some UFO sightings. You take stuff like that, oddities in the magnetic or electric fields, things such as lightning effects (especially ball lightning) and you can get ghost-like appearances.

3) Out right lies.

Some people just want to tell a ghost story to get attention.

4) As a Christian, I cannot rule out the possibility of demons as well. According to my beliefs, demons are fallen angels. So if the angels can appear in various incarnations, then so can demons. Also, according to my beliefs, demons have access to the minds of unbelievers. Fabrication from that is entirely possible.

**RNR** · 04-28-2002, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Chieficus
Believe in ghosts? No.

Why? Much the same reason as IA--you die and you're either in heaven or hell. (Someone made the comment earlier about how that relates to Jesus appearing after His death, saying it was a spiritual appearance. Well, Biblically, Jesus rose from the dead physically. His spirit just didn't leave the grave, His entire body did, but that's a completely different subject).

So what do I think "ghosts" are?

1) Psychological manipulations.

This can be brought on by hypnotic events caused by these people who claim to be in communication with the dead.

People who have a predisposition to believe will be more likely to have an "experience" based upon self-made psychological states. The mind decieves itself.

Then there are simply the issues of waking dreams. I have a friend who has seen all sorts of things at night. I myself have awoke to the room flashing various colors and figures walking around. In our discussions of this stuff, we've discovered a common link between our "seeing stuff" and going to bed extremely tired while not being able to get a good nights rest. The body wakes up, but the mind stays connected partially to it's dream patterns and things from the sub-conscious are merely super-imposed upon reality for a brief period of time.

Also, certain personality types have a characteristic of being able to easily manipulate a story into their reality and not realize it.

2) Natural phenomena

As a meteorology major, I well know that the weather does weird things (outside of our normal sense of weird--like snow in may). You get the lapse rates just right and it will bend light in such a way that head lights from a car will appear in the sky many miles away. That's been the cause of some UFO sightings. You take stuff like that, oddities in the magnetic or electric fields, things such as lightning effects (especially ball lightning) and you can get ghost-like appearances.

3) Out right lies.

Some people just want to tell a ghost story to get attention.

4) As a Christian, I cannot rule out the possibility of demons as well. According to my beliefs, demons are fallen angels. So if the angels can appear in various incarnations, then so can demons. Also, according to my beliefs, demons have access to the minds of unbelievers. Fabrication from that is entirely possible.

Your are right mine are not ghosts, they are scars!

Mr. Christopher · 04-28-2002, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
Your are right mine are not ghosts, they are scars!

At least you have happy recent memories from Gruden...and THANK GOD he's GONE!!!

Hopefully DV will help create new scars

04-28-2002, 07:54 PM
chiefs_freak Rookie Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Do you believe in Ghosts? well i have been thanking about this topic for a while now and im going to do a survey on it. Do you guys believe in ghost? are they real or fake? Have you ever incountered one? plus i thought this would be a fun post. please tell!
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04-28-2002, 10:20 PM	#47
Ultra Peanut v^V^v^V^v^V^ Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Holland* Casino cash: $10005177	I just realized something... This is a really bad thread to read at 11 PM. Now I'm not going to go to sleep until 5 or 6 AM. I don't really know what to think on the issue, which is basically my position on UFO's, too. A lot is probably or a misunderstanding of some sort, but some of it's gotta be true, too. And that's just freaky. __________________
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BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Shawnee KS Casino cash: $7180157	More Local Lore The Johnson County Industrial Airport in Olathe is haunted by unexplained noises, strange sounds, whistling and phantom footsteps. They have plagued Hangar 43 for more than 50 years and employees and staff members have dubbed the elusive spirit who haunts the place the "Commander". They believe that he may have been one of the 54 men killed at the navy flight training base, which was located there in 1942. (from ghosts of kansas) I went to high school in Olathe 25 years ago and there was a railroad crossing a mile or 2 north of town (now part of the suburban sprawl) that we called 'Smokey Chains'. Guys would take their dates there late at night and tell about the "train wrecked car-on-a-crossing, chain-dragging ghost of 'smoky chains", knowing full well that the late freight train came thru town at 11:20 or whenever, blowing it's whistle as it came into town, and long before it got close the tracks at the crossing would start to jump and click...making the sound of chains clanking. No idea why it happened, but I was as big of a dog as anybody. Get your date good and scared and she's likely to cling to ya all the rest of the night. Give 'em an excuse to get close and clinging and you're halfway home. All's fair in love and war. Even chains, trains and automobiles. __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
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04-28-2002, 10:39 PM	#52
BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Shawnee KS Casino cash: $7180157	Haunted Atchison One last bit of local lore, 'Sallie' the Heartland Ghost: The Heartland Ghost from 'Sightings' __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
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04-28-2002, 10:42 PM	#54
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04-28-2002, 10:43 PM	#55
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2795085	That book on the Ghosts of Wyoming was a very entertaining read, especially the part about the base I've been to. The house I stayed at was by no means the most haunted building, either. The old hospital from the cavalry days was later converted into security headquarters for the base. All kinds of unexplained shit went on there, including actual sightings and the ghost of a doctor who would change the channel on the remote control to Lifetime Channel, which has lots of medical shows. The reports of these incidents were made by Air Force security personnel, not exactly your run-of-the-mill nutjobs. The security guys at F. E. Warren, among other things, guard nuclear missile silos. I would think mental and emotional stability would be sort of important for people who do that sort of thing (at least I hope so). Anyway, my friend told me that several years ago the CO of the base decided he'd heard enough and decided to spend the night in the security building to proove once and for all that there was nothing going on there. Now, he never told any of his subordinates what he experienced that night, but he immediately ordered the security headquarters moved to another building and inquired about having the building DEMOLISHED. As this building is also over a century old and on the historic landmark registry, his request was denied. So instead he boarded it up, and it was still boarded up when I last saw it in 1996. Probably a good thing.
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04-28-2002, 11:16 PM	#58
Chieficus infralapsarianism Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: West MO Casino cash: $1675728	Believe in ghosts? No. Why? Much the same reason as IA--you die and you're either in heaven or hell. (Someone made the comment earlier about how that relates to Jesus appearing after His death, saying it was a spiritual appearance. Well, Biblically, Jesus rose from the dead physically. His spirit just didn't leave the grave, His entire body did, but that's a completely different subject). So what do I think "ghosts" are? 1) Psychological manipulations. This can be brought on by hypnotic events caused by these people who claim to be in communication with the dead. People who have a predisposition to believe will be more likely to have an "experience" based upon self-made psychological states. The mind decieves itself. Then there are simply the issues of waking dreams. I have a friend who has seen all sorts of things at night. I myself have awoke to the room flashing various colors and figures walking around. In our discussions of this stuff, we've discovered a common link between our "seeing stuff" and going to bed extremely tired while not being able to get a good nights rest. The body wakes up, but the mind stays connected partially to it's dream patterns and things from the sub-conscious are merely super-imposed upon reality for a brief period of time. Also, certain personality types have a characteristic of being able to easily manipulate a story into their reality and not realize it. 2) Natural phenomena As a meteorology major, I well know that the weather does weird things (outside of our normal sense of weird--like snow in may). You get the lapse rates just right and it will bend light in such a way that head lights from a car will appear in the sky many miles away. That's been the cause of some UFO sightings. You take stuff like that, oddities in the magnetic or electric fields, things such as lightning effects (especially ball lightning) and you can get ghost-like appearances. 3) Out right lies. Some people just want to tell a ghost story to get attention. 4) As a Christian, I cannot rule out the possibility of demons as well. According to my beliefs, demons are fallen angels. So if the angels can appear in various incarnations, then so can demons. Also, according to my beliefs, demons have access to the minds of unbelievers. Fabrication from that is entirely possible.
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